Posted on 12/11/2007 12:01:33 PM PST by ironwill
Thank you for your concern about hijacking but I don’t think it’s necessary, since I’ve always found I’m not the only one who benefits by the input!
Interesting, what you say, and instructional. Glocks seem everyone’s favorite because they are affordable, easy to operate and clean, etc. An ex-cop suggested it and so did the trainer that fateful day. But not now, not for me. I will ask about lessons. I take shooting seriously and want to stay active and joined American Action shooting club.
However, multiple bad weather weekends kept us home, then stuff for daughter’s out of town wedding, yada, yada...
What I want is to be able to pick up almost anything and handle it. I would even consider survival training if I thought I could keep up. I think I’m a good candidate and my fellow FReepers supported me that day.
It's pretty well established that he one or more handguns as well as a long gun. What is not so well established is if that was a semi-automatic ugly black rifle firing an intermediate power cartridge, or a shotgun, possibly also ugly and black.
There's even Glock .380s, IIRC. Lots of choices in many different brands. But the Bersa is not bad. But you should be able to get used to the 9mm Glock. But for now, .22 rimfire, until you get used to pistols in general. I'm not much for really powerful handguns myself. But for my that's .44 magnum. I think I'd like even that in a Desert Eagle, but they are a bit large for concealed carry. (They also come in a .50 caliber (action express), where a single cartridge fills my palm, which isn't huge, but isn't tiny either).
His 9MM auto pistol was jammed. The Vietnam Vet picked up the gun when the perp was dead, and found the gun jammed.
Surely he would have seen a head wound. I just can't make sense of that.
I don’t think the perp had time to shoot himself. I think Jeanne Assam killed him. That’s what she said. He was down but still had control of his gun and went for a grenade time device I warned him to stop...he would not so I killed him.
It was also reported by others that had seen it...that she killed him. NOT one person ever mentioned he had shot himself. You know it really doesn’t matter...she stopped him, he killed no one else...because of her brave ability...
I want to believe the authorities, but it isn't adding up. Yet. Someone suggested maybe in the stress, Bourbonnais' and Assam's recall might be defective, could happen, but I'm not buying that either, unless there is some collusion for some inexplicable reason.
I think the biggest thing is that this will worry some that citizens can protect themselves and more will rush out get a weapon to protect their churches and start packing. Plus they were upstaged by a female ex-cop.
Personally I think she saved the day in more than one way. Yes, shots could have ricocheted or pass through (?). Fortunately that didn't happen except shrapnel from the pillar on Bourbonnais if we are to believe that. Curious that he stuck around after getting shot in the arm, may have been battle hardened from Nam. I don't think the police would have known how to handle it at that point, in figuring out what to do, he could have killed more people plus he could have taken hostages.
BTW, has it come out yet where he got all those guns and ammo? He probably could have gotten it legally because of his clean criminal record even though he was disturbed.
Our local talk show host who praised her to the limit, dissed that two other men came forward, guns drawn, wouldn't fire. He said that's because she was in the way. Not from the reports I read. Which is it?
No, falsify an autopsy report. My daughter and son-in-law lived in Colorado Spring for 5-6 yrs....they were stationed there with the Army...and they both told me Colorado Springs is an extremely conservative area. It's not full of the lib loons.
Let's just take the reports at face value...if it's different we'll hear.
Yes, she wouldn't have known but what it was a grenade. Let's go with your theory. I wasn't born yesterday and have learned not to trust "officialdom" implicitly, but I don't want to get sucked into some conspiracy theory. Look for a logical explanation first. We don't have to know everything, but now that we are this far into it, I admit to being curious. My pressing on with it is that I would like to think it could have been prevented, how to pre-empt something like this in the future, without throwing out a lot of blame. After the Haggard debacle, surely there were some threats & etc.
Rue, Ruth
compassion, pity, mercy
Remember the female NASA astronaut that chased down her boyfriend’s other lover, and was going to kill her?
Also, refer to RUTH in the Bible.
A woman without pity, without compassion, without mercy, is ruthless.
Same can be said of men, but IMHO, the term was linked more with women.
Men were ‘vicious’, ‘vindictive’, and ‘maniacal’.
What about snubbed nose .38s? I know lots of girls like them...
Excellent. Probably my next purchase.
I have fired both .357 and .38 in my Smith and Wesson model 66. It's the gun that I have on guard at home.
As I said before there is a subjective element to recoil. I judged the .357 to have a "snap" where the .38 had a "push". I actually preferred the .357.
In your case, if you are much bothered by recoil, then you want to choose the heaviest gun that you can comfortably shoot and carry. Also, another idea I had was that you might look to alternative ammo.
Typical .38 special self-defense ammo will be hollow-points with an enhanced loading, called "+P". To reduce recoil, you can choose hollow-points with regular loading. To reduce it further, you may be able to find target ammunition that has an even reduced load.
Each reduction in loading carries with it a reduction in "stopping power". If we get into a discussion on this topic, the thread might never end.
Shot placement is tremendously important and that means that a person needs to practice with their carry firearm. You may be so much more competent with a reduced loading that the increased accuracy can make up for a lessening of typical stopping power.
Hollow-points are used for self-defense in order to reduce chances of over-penetration and thus assure that the energy of the bullet is spent on the intended target. Additionally, the expansion of the hollow-point allows it to do more damage to the target, increasing the chances of stopping the target.
It may be that a good choice of reduced power .38s might have more effective stopping power than a full loading of .380s. The added weight of the .38 firearm then reduces the felt recoil considerably.
Another important variable is barrel length. Again, if you can carry and conceal it, longer barrels work for you. To maintain effectiveness, users of short barrels have to increase the loading of the ammunition, since there is less time to accelerate the bullet. Longer barrels, which add more weight to the gun, also permit a lower power load to be effective. Of course, the longer barrel then permits more recoil energy to be delivered to the shooter. (All these factors interact.)
If you were living in my neighborhood, meaning within 100 miles, I would let you try my collection of stuff to work this out.
Perhaps there is another Freeper living in your area who can address this matter for you.
Nothing wrong with them either. Considered by many to be the minimum really effective for defense. But better yet get a .357 snubbie, then you can practice with .38 special, but carry .357 ammunition for defense. (.38 special is actually a .357" bullet, and the .38s will work in a .357) If you actually need it, you'll never notice the extra recoil. :)
Or, since "pure" .38s tend to be lighter than .357s, you could get a modern pure .38, and shoot those .38 specials and carry .38 special +P (higher pressure) loads.
Still a very light .38 may actually have higher felt recoil than a semi-auto in a heavy (say all metal) 9mm. For a couple of reasons. First a heavy gun generally has lower felt (and real!) recoil than a lighter one for the same ammunition. Second the action of a semi-auto "soaks up" some of the recoil energy.
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