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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

No, you may take some glee in the fact that I’ve only helped others raise their kids better. I’ve lived in homes where I shared nurturing and discipline duties of kids of various ages. But I was very careful to avoid having my own as I’ve stated many times hereon.

It does not sound like you have read much of his postings, rantings etc. He had a LOT to say about his home life with mommy dearest. I don’t believe 100% of it was exaggeration.

again . . . EVEN 10% OF WHAT HE WROTE would be plenty evidence of seriouis emotional and likely far worse abuse.

Several lines SEEM FAIRLY BRAZENLY but cryptically to be writing about seductive physical contact that SOUNDS LIKE went well beyond petting. I reread those lines several times to be sure I wasn’t misconstruing things.

It would not be the first time an isolated mother/wife of a detached workaholic hubby [conjecture, hypothesis from limited available evidence] got wrapped up inappropriately with youngest son . . . by a long shot.

IT also SEEMS LIKE her obsessiveness was focused on him as opposed to her other kids—also very common.

It also SEEMS LIKE her censoring of his music etc. was way off the scale. It wasn’t merely guidance with fitting consequences—it was EVIDENTLY CONSTANTLY SEARCHING THROUGH ALL his stuff with great distress and punishment when any contraband was found—EVIDENTLY FOR YEARS.

On top of that—it sounds like pastors were routinely brought into the home—perhaps after such repeated mom/son confrontations—to try and coerce, persuade, demand from lofty spiritual heights that he shape up.

I do not think he would necessarily have been an easy child to raise for anyone.

But he did NOT come out of the womb as mangled as his postings clearly show he was.


2,480 posted on 12/12/2007 11:52:51 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix
It does not sound like you have read much of his postings, rantings etc.

Then you haven't paid close attention. I have read extensively from his writings, ever since the moment I was the first Freeper to discover and post (#1983) MM's online identity on the ex-Pentecostal forum. Furthermore, I have quoted from his writings on multiple occasions, especially when debating certain points with other Freepers (post 2379, for eg).

Whereas you have repeatedly been asked to provide evidence to support your repeated assertions of childhood abuse, repeated claims of there being incestual components to this mother-son relationship, and so on.

But you wave this all off, excusing your inability or unwillingness to provide evidence with: Hey man, that's not my style!

It looks like I'm not the only one here who is less than impressed with your Shoot From The Hip And Don't Back Up Any Of Your Claims "style".

And don't think about old dogs & new tricks. You're never too old to revise your "style". Go ahead, pleasantly surprise us, and perhaps yourself, and try quoting from MM's writings to back up your points.

If you don't, you will find fewer and fewer people here willing to engage you, except of course those who already agree with you. But don't be content with just that. Make the effort.

2,488 posted on 12/12/2007 2:36:19 PM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
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To: Quix
No, you may take some glee in the fact that I’ve only helped others raise their kids better.

No, I won't gloat over your state of childlessness.

But it does cast a new light for me onto your postings. Someone like you, with years of counseling teens, no doubt has gleaned a lot of insight into the minds of teenagers.

But OTOH, I would like you to consider asking yourself this: Could your lack of experience of being a parent of a teen possibly color your views of the teen-parent relationship, weighing it too heavily towards the teen's point of view?

I'm sure that any tendency to take a teen's word against his parent is highly useful, especially when the teen needs a sympathetic ear to listen to him. Just having someone to listen to everything you say and automatically accept it as unvarnished truth, can no doubt be very helpful in many situations. (Though I can't help but wonder if it's the best thing in ALL situations?)

But from what I can see, a tendency such as this can make your posts here much less useful to many of us, because of what appears to some of us to be an unreasonable bias against MM's mother, with all kinds of unsupported accusations being leveled against her, many approaching the level of libel. (in my opinion).

2,490 posted on 12/12/2007 3:27:48 PM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
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