Paul believes in threat of North American superhighway

LA TIMES ^ | 30 Nov 07 | Stephen Braun

[elhombrelibre]

The GOP presidential candidate says U.S. sovereignty is at risk. Highway and trade officials and transportation consultants say there are no plans for such a project.

WASHINGTON -- The man from Arlington, Texas, could barely contain his smirk as he looked into a computer video camera to pose a question of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul.

[trisham]

Well, that’s gratitude. I hand your candidate a perfectly good issue - Martian body snatching - and you get snippy. So be it.

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Heh. Don't give up on it. :)

[ovrtaxt]

On that issue, it appears that Paul parts with the traditional stance of the LP. He does recognize the sovereignty of nations and their rights to establish and protect their borders.

Personally, that’s one libertarian issue that I never could reasonably agree with.

[elhombrelibre]

Well, that’s where you’re mistaken. Libertarianism means whatever Dr. Run Paul says it means. He’s the final arbiter on this topic. He is the guru, the great leader, the all-knowing one.

[Kozak]

As someone with strong Libertarian leanings thats one I couldn’t stomach either.

[rineaux]

Thanks for the link. Will read it.

[ovrtaxt]

Sounds like we agree on quite a bit.

Let me ask you this- if Ron Paul’s scope of power was limited ONLY to domestic policy, would you support him? I think I would.

[Dudoight]

The highway construction contract has already been awarded to a Spanish company. The citizens of Texas found out after the fact. We are protesting. It’s real.

[ovrtaxt]

As you do, keep in mind that many statements by the GOP candidates about illegal immigration hinge on the definition of ‘Illegal’. If this agreement decriminalizes their presence in the US, they never lied.

Therefore, a candidate who says he’s opposed to illegal immigration, yet refuses to issue a statement on the NAU, really hasn’t made any statement at all.

Dirty politics.

[antinomian]

Wait a second. I thought Libertarian doctrine was “ free and open movement of capital and people”?

Capitol and goods, yes.

As for people - in the absence of welfare, taxation, public education, government roads, etc. then sure let them in. In that case what would it matter? Of course, that is not the world we live in.

[IkeRepub]

Exactly. Excellent pertinent, unanswered questions. I think many conservatives smell a rat, or a ‘Rat in elephant’s clothing, and hence Dr. Paul’s waxing support. When did big government become a plank of the Republican platform? Was it when there ceased to be a functional difference between Demicans and Republicrats?

[lentulusgracchus]

And NAFTA, despite its name, is not free trade. NAFTA is just an exchange of favors for some privileged concerns on both sides.

Interesting complaint, one I haven't heard before. So you evaluate NAFTA as a big exercise in "access capitalism" and Somoza-style crony capitalism?

It was, after all, promoted by three U.S. presidents belonging to two Latin-style political dynasties. The "Clintonistas" earned that nickname by their (apparently conscious) emulation of the Argentine Peronistas, whose style was Latin personalismo (personality/dynasty-cult in the Roman dynastic tradition, complete with the creation and cultivation of a large clientela) and Caesarist overreach and arrogance.

[ovrtaxt]

And keep in mind the logic in post 88, as you watch the debates.

[roamer_1]

Therefore, a candidate who says he’s opposed to illegal immigration, yet refuses to issue a statement on the NAU, really hasn’t made any statement at all.

This is precisely right, and why I cannot in good conscience vote for anyone who has uttered the words "Path to Citizenship". If the candidate has not made a principled stand, an honorable stand, an historical stand on illegal immigration, it will all predictably boil down to what the meaning of the word "is" is.

That leaves me only two candidates worthy of the vote- Hunter and Tancredo. Well, there is Paul, too, but he is fruit loops on the war, so not really.

[lentulusgracchus]

It’s a non-issue. There is no road. There is no funding for the “road.” It’s bogus and demagogic.

Those must not have been bulldozers and road-graders I saw working on that huge "inland port" complex north of Fort Worth on I-35W a year ago last month. They were all figments of my imagination, a complete coincidence, or better still, I'm an idiot fabricator of nonexistent earth-moving equipment, and a deliberate liar.

There is no NASCO, no SPP, no bipartisan Congressional committee with real, live chairmen, no money, no nothing. It's all a tissue of lies, a black-helicopter fantasy.

Don't back off now -- stick to your guns.

[ovrtaxt]

That leaves me only two candidates worthy of the vote- Hunter and Tancredo. Well, there is Paul, too, but he is fruit loops on the war, so not really.

EXACTLY.

[ontap]

Having a highway going from the southern border to the northern border would be a good thing IMHO. Illegal immigration is a failure to enforce our laws having a highway would not affect it one way or another, I we seal the borders where they’re coming across they won’t have chance to use any of our highways.

[lentulusgracchus]

The current fight should be against letting a million Mexican truckers into the US.

That's a canard and a lie! It's only a few hundred thousand, tops.

[Kozak]

As for people - in the absence of welfare, taxation, public education, government roads, etc. then sure let them in. In that case what would it matter?

See the fall of Rome, Turkic invasion of Anatolia, Mongol invasion, etc etc etc. Mass migrations of peoples have pretty dramatic consequences.

[antinomian]

Mass migrations of peoples have pretty dramatic consequences.

Yes and they usually also have dramatic causes. In our case it's our government policies.

[lentulusgracchus]

Where did you get your material? I haven't heard anything about these corridors, except for the NAFTA (actually NASCO) and the I-29 corridor concept (through the eastern Dakotas), which is real enough that Indian tribes along I-29 have been sending delegations to Washington to seek a tribal piece of the action.