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Paul believes in threat of North American superhighway
LA TIMES ^ | 30 Nov 07 | Stephen Braun

Posted on 12/02/2007 1:00:24 AM PST by elhombrelibre

The GOP presidential candidate says U.S. sovereignty is at risk. Highway and trade officials and transportation consultants say there are no plans for such a project.

WASHINGTON -- The man from Arlington, Texas, could barely contain his smirk as he looked into a computer video camera to pose a question of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: cuespookymusic; moosetacos; naftahighway; nau; rino; ronpaul; tinfoil
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To: elhombrelibre
It seems unlikely but you can hope for anything you believe in.

You haven't noticed that unusual light on the horizon, that seems to be bobbing and up and down, watching you? LOL
61 posted on 12/02/2007 2:49:00 AM PST by mkjessup (Hunter-Bolton '08 !! Patriots who will settle for nothing less than *Victory* in the War on Terror!)
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To: elhombrelibre
I could vote for Hunter, but never Run Paul

On that we agree, to borrow from another Freeper, 'Ron Paul put the cuckoo into my Cocoa Puffs'.
62 posted on 12/02/2007 2:49:58 AM PST by mkjessup (Hunter-Bolton '08 !! Patriots who will settle for nothing less than *Victory* in the War on Terror!)
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To: rineaux; Ragnar704; antinomian; Puddleglum
You'll have to forgive me my ignorance on the issue- I have kept up with it tangentially, and I have been uncomfortable with NAFTA for some years now, but my main opposition to the issue rises directly out of the illegal immigration fiasco.

I probably would have left well enough alone, content to leave the issue to those more informed than myself, but for one question:

What possible scenario would cause the Republican leadership to so boldly go forward with amnesty despite what one could expect from their base supporters?

What reason would cause them to irrevocably tilt the table to the Democrats by minting 20m new Dem voting immigrants?

What profit is in leaving the border wide open with it's obvious security concerns falling on the deaf ears of supposed war-hawk Republicans?

Ok, so it isn't really one question (no, really it is... a simple "WHY?" would do), but you get my drift...

The only things I could come up with to explain the disparity are drug money or NAFTA money, and one can envision those two being the same...

So... The only logical action is to oppose damn well anything that tries to keep that border open, including NAFTA and FREE TRADE in the process... And I will happily subscribe to any dang theory, no matter how much tinfoil I must wear, until and unless someone can answer the questions and restore my trust in government (not gonna happen).

63 posted on 12/02/2007 3:11:12 AM PST by roamer_1 (Vote for Frudy McRomsonbee -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: elhombrelibre

Well, even a broken watch is right twice a day.


64 posted on 12/02/2007 3:15:29 AM PST by beachdweller
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To: roamer_1
So... The only logical action is to oppose damn well anything that tries to keep that border open, including NAFTA and FREE TRADE in the process

Free trade does not open the border to people, only to prosperity. And NAFTA, despite its name, is not free trade. NAFTA is just an exchange of favors for some privileged concerns on both sides.

65 posted on 12/02/2007 3:25:09 AM PST by antinomian (Show me a robber baron and I'll show you a pocket full of senators.)
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To: camerakid400
I agree with Paul on this issue.

You may need to snug up that tinfoil hat of yours .........

66 posted on 12/02/2007 3:29:09 AM PST by Jackknife ( "The Bureau of Alcohol,Tobacco, and Firearms should be a department store, not a gov't agency.")
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To: roamer_1

“a simple “WHY?” “

My sentiments, exactly, thanks for summing them up.


67 posted on 12/02/2007 3:31:37 AM PST by FReepapalooza
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To: roamer_1
What possible scenario would cause the Republican leadership to so boldly go forward with amnesty despite what one could expect from their base supporters?

Perhaps they believe that by granting amnesty they could ingratiate themselves to the Hispanic vote. (I don't think it would work, but maybe they do.)

As far as the Republican base goes, the Republican party thinks they have a lock on them. What is the base supposed to do, vote for the Dems? As long as there is no viable alternative, the party can just about ignore what the base wants.

68 posted on 12/02/2007 3:35:10 AM PST by Ragnar704
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To: Ragnar704; nicmarlo; processing please hold; WorkerbeeCitizen; Greg F; Borax Queen; Man50D; Zon; ...
How is this news supposed to help Hunter? The article states that Hunter (among 42 others in the House) signed “a resolution expressing opposition to a NAFTA superhighway.” In the effort to smear Paul, they’ve just smeared your guy, too.

How is it a smear? It's true, and Hunter had discussed it. He's opposed to the loss of sovereigntly that this will bring with it. He's an anti-globalist, and he's unapologetic about it.

Remember, the EU was once just a coal trading agreement.

69 posted on 12/02/2007 3:36:40 AM PST by ovrtaxt (You're a destiny that God wrapped a body around.)
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To: Ragnar704

Those who want to label a person a kook for opposing a NAFTA superhighway have to recognize the fact that there are a number of Republicans who will be smeared with that brush.

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You mean those lying anarchists? They would steal from their mammas purse if they could.


70 posted on 12/02/2007 3:37:01 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: antinomian
Free trade does not open the border to people, only to prosperity. And NAFTA, despite its name, is not free trade. NAFTA is just an exchange of favors for some privileged concerns on both sides.

Yet NAFTA is vaunted as the hallmark of "free trade", that was the purpose that they have defended it with... So you can imagine that I am particularly tired of any definition of so called "free trade" whatsoever... not being able to trust the definition in the first place. No, thank you.

I will subscribe to Hunter's "fair trade" policies, which are not Buchanan-style protectionism, yet also not the stupidly transparent screwing we are getting from the likes of China. You may argue all you will, but I am afraid the bad apple spoiled the whole bunch for me.

71 posted on 12/02/2007 3:37:44 AM PST by roamer_1 (Vote for Frudy McRomsonbee -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: ovrtaxt
How is it a smear?

Maybe I'm being overly sensitive, but the tone of the article as I read it was that anyone who worried about NAFTA superhighways was a nutjob conspiracy theorist.

Did you not get that same tone from the article?

72 posted on 12/02/2007 3:41:33 AM PST by Ragnar704
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To: Ragnar704

Maybe I’m being overly sensitive, but the tone of the article as I read it was that anyone who worried about NAFTA superhighways was a nutjob conspiracy theorist.

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The anarcho-capitalists have pushed the American public too far. Read what they say, “Exports are bad, Imports are good.” “The US should have zero tariffs regardless of what the trading partner does.” “GOOD DUMP YOUR STUFF ON OUR SHORES!”

The pendulum swings between free trade and protectionism. The anarcho-capitalists have gone so far, pushed the pendulum WAY to far towards free trade. People believe in conspiracy theories because they cannot believe people can be so dumb and act so treacherously.

There doesn’t need for a global conspiracy to explain away Greed. Those SOB’s who go by the name of free-traders, anarcho-capitalists, or Libertarians are nothing but self serving SOBs and traitors.


73 posted on 12/02/2007 3:48:56 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: Ragnar704
Perhaps they believe that by granting amnesty they could ingratiate themselves to the Hispanic vote. (I don't think it would work, but maybe they do.)

But nobody really believes that, do they? I don't think you could find me a single political wonk that thinks the GOP ever had a chance with those to be amnestied... I doesn't compute.

As far as the Republican base goes, the Republican party thinks they have a lock on them. What is the base supposed to do, vote for the Dems? As long as there is no viable alternative, the party can just about ignore what the base wants.

Again, I have heard this bandied about, but it really makes no sense. Guys like me (and many others here) have dropped the GOP on it's butt for doing far less, and we are mighty close to sovereignty issues here which is sure to cause the base to walk, no run away...

And your position(s) don't even touch the third part of the trident- There can be NO reason for leaving the border wide open to the whim and fancy of the Moozies. NONE. So we are still left without an adequate answer...

74 posted on 12/02/2007 3:51:08 AM PST by roamer_1 (Vote for Frudy McRomsonbee -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: Cvengr
Here it is:

Notice the "inland ports". This is the key to the whole thing. That's where the money will be made.

75 posted on 12/02/2007 3:58:29 AM PST by ovrtaxt (You're a destiny that God wrapped a body around.)
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To: antinomian
What do you mean not planned? This thing is real and has been a big issue in Texas politics for a couple of years now.

For 18 years I traveled around building cellular telephone systems. In one Cellular One system I built in eastern Kentucky, I put a dozen or so cell sites literally out in the middle of nowhere. No towns, no roads, only a few very rural residents, most of whom didn't have land line phones or indoor plumbing, much less a need for cellular service. After putting in a few of these sites I asked the owner of the license why they were putting all this money, millions of dollars, into these sites where there were no potential subscribers (POPS). The answer was that a new interstate highway was being planned to pass through that area, roughly along the route of US23. That was 16 years ago and nary a blade of dirt has been turned for that new road. I guess sometimes these things can stay in the planning stages for decades.....

76 posted on 12/02/2007 4:01:10 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Debates? Those weren't no stinkin' debates!)
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To: Ragnar704

Oh, sure- it’s definitely anti-Paul propaganda.

But Ron Paul aside, the opposition to the NAU runs strong in the minds of people who know about it. Paul agrees with me on a lot of things, monetary policy and taxation, for instance- but that doesn’t mean I’ll abandon my positions just because he’s right about that too.

As for this issue- for the longest time, we who opposed illegal immigration couldn’t figure out the government’s motivation to support it, even risking the loss of grass-roots support when they needed it the most in Iraq.

Now, if you introduce the long term plan of the NAU, it all makes sense. These globalist elites are going to cram this crap down America’s throat one way or the other. Hunter, Tancredo and Paul recognize this, and Thompson may announce his opinion soon. I won’t support him though, until he does.


77 posted on 12/02/2007 4:04:47 AM PST by ovrtaxt (You're a destiny that God wrapped a body around.)
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To: Ragnar704
anyone who worried about NAFTA superhighways was a nutjob conspiracy theorist.

One would have to admit, though... It goes well with "ignorant, racist, Nativist", doesn't it?

78 posted on 12/02/2007 4:04:53 AM PST by roamer_1 (Vote for Frudy McRomsonbee -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: elhombrelibre

Wait a second. I thought Libertarian doctrine was “ free and open movement of capital and people”?


79 posted on 12/02/2007 4:07:57 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: rineaux
With regards to the spanish construction company, you would have to dig, but my little understanding on the matter is Rudy’s law firm represented the company on its bid win to build the highway. Hence, no need for legislation.

That's exactly correct.

80 posted on 12/02/2007 4:08:08 AM PST by ovrtaxt (You're a destiny that God wrapped a body around.)
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