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Paul believes in threat of North American superhighway
LA TIMES ^ | 30 Nov 07 | Stephen Braun

Posted on 12/02/2007 1:00:24 AM PST by elhombrelibre

The GOP presidential candidate says U.S. sovereignty is at risk. Highway and trade officials and transportation consultants say there are no plans for such a project.

WASHINGTON -- The man from Arlington, Texas, could barely contain his smirk as he looked into a computer video camera to pose a question of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: cuespookymusic; moosetacos; naftahighway; nau; rino; ronpaul; tinfoil
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Conspiracy theorists and those who belittle them...

Those who believe in the conspiracy to weaken national sovereignty are well meaning, love America, and at least have a sense of ethics. Those who belittle them are most likely to outsource your job, import temporary workers, and lower your standard of living so they can make a cheap buck.


141 posted on 12/02/2007 6:02:14 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: antinomian

The Trans-Texas Corridor is not part of the mythical NAFTA Superhighway. There is, however, a real NAFTA highway being built: I-69. It will be an ordinary interstate outside of Texas, and part of the Trans-Texas Corridor system inside of Texas.


142 posted on 12/02/2007 6:02:26 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments. Sink LOST! Stop SPP!)
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To: wtc911

Thank you for the name, Cintras.


143 posted on 12/02/2007 6:02:55 AM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: ontap

There are numerous sites that lead to the various White Papers by think tanks that were paid to do the work. Try corridorwatch.org for a start. Then research SPP, NAU, Cintras & US highway. I don’t file links. I read, remember and move on.


144 posted on 12/02/2007 6:05:18 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

It sounds to me like you’re against REAL free trade too...

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Only in situations where the wage disparity is so great, it sucks jobs away. Heres a list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

(Except in cases of natural resources like an oil exporting middle east country. What have they ever exported other then oil and terrorism? So it doesn’t matter what the wage disparity is.)


145 posted on 12/02/2007 6:07:35 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: Hunterite
If Business realize they can make a bigger profit off cheap Mexican labor.....

I agree with you, this is all about cheap labor and breaking U.S. wages (but not prices) to Third World "scale".

Beyond Mexican, there is the hulking specter of starvation-wage Chinese kuh li labor, prison labor, and outright bond labor.

The sobriquets "malefactors of great wealth" and "gold-plated SOB's" don't even start to get their arms around what we are seeing. Economist Alan Blinder came back from the Davos conference last spring and tried to warn us on the talking-head shows. He told us what American CEO's were saying, and it was all about crushing labor costs -- for white-collar and knowledge workers as much or more than anyone.

I am apprehensive that the words "rationalization" and "capital formation" will become a twinned obscenity, and together serve as a single pale euphemism for a truly epicene greater obscenity.

The Roman freehold farmer, the civis Romanus, was broken on the wheel in the third and fourth centuries by the senatorial class and became the land-bound serf of the Dark Ages. His bondage lasted a thousand years, until the coming of the Black Death. Something similar, a reduction and breaking, can happen to American citizens if we don't look sharp and start getting better newspapering, better voters, and better politicians. The ones we have now, both papers and pols, are preempted or bought off by various hostile Interests.

146 posted on 12/02/2007 6:07:53 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: wtc911

Web sites supporting or not supporting issues are not my idea of proof of anything since obviously there are going to be good arguments from both sides because each side is going to present their high points and point out the oppositions low points. I appreciate you obvious passion for the issue and respect your attempt to back up what you say, I am even willing to admit that I can not prove or disprove what you say but when you state there are plans for something you have to be able to specify who is making those plans and show where to find those plans ,not websites claiming to know of those plans.


147 posted on 12/02/2007 6:22:58 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: wtc911
The states are selling their own sovreignty over these arteries for short-term, budget-balancing reasons and in the process handing the next century of toll revenues (and control of use) to Spain.

An article that appeared a few years ago in an archaeological journal described how the public spaces and buildings of the city of Rome were sold off for cash by a succession of needy imperial administrations and subdivided and "privatized". The Theater of Marcellus became an apartment-house for 1500 years, as did the great temples in the Roman Forum and imperial fora. Latterday archaeologists have taken a new interest in retracing and outlining the crude partitioning schemes that were imposed on the porches and vestibules of the formerly great public buildings, which were progressively stripped of their marbles and ornamentation for cash, and for building materials. Fine Proconnesian and Pentelic marbles were burned for lime, and their exquisite decorative reliefs with them. And the Forum itself filled with shabby apartment houses that encroached into the formerly public space as it was sold off or rented, then sublet again and again, until, in the time of Honorius, one couldn't even look across the Forum any longer, but only up, into narrow strips of sky defined by narrow, rat-warren alleys. Sic transit, et cetera.

That's what privatization of the public trust does for you.

148 posted on 12/02/2007 6:23:48 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: samtheman
So the road from Mexico to Canada is "one big paranoid fantasy" but the road from Mexico to Oklahoma is "moving forward".

It's going to plunge off into the Red River, I guess.

149 posted on 12/02/2007 6:32:25 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: lentulusgracchus
The Roman freehold farmer, the civis Romanus, was broken on the wheel in the third and fourth centuries by the senatorial class and became the land-bound serf of the Dark Ages.

That happened because taxation, not trade.

150 posted on 12/02/2007 6:39:37 AM PST by antinomian (Show me a robber baron and I'll show you a pocket full of senators.)
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To: Hunterite
Toll roads = evil = inneficiency. Which is why Libertarians love them (private roads).

Private roads would be both more efficient and safer. But toll roads are not private roads. And the TTC is not going to be a private road.

151 posted on 12/02/2007 6:46:34 AM PST by antinomian (Show me a robber baron and I'll show you a pocket full of senators.)
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To: ontap
I recall that part of the argument against it was the dangerous Mexican truck causing all sorts of carnage and that has not happened so far.

http://www.darksideofillegalimmigration.com/page9.html

152 posted on 12/02/2007 6:49:04 AM PST by ovrtaxt (You're a destiny that God wrapped a body around.)
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To: antinomian

“Private roads would be both more efficient and safer. “

How do you figure that?

“But toll roads are not private roads.”

How else would a private company collect money if they didn’t have tolls?


153 posted on 12/02/2007 6:52:36 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: Hunterite

“The current fight should be against letting a million Mexican truckers into the US”

they couldn’t be any worse than the meth head drunk american truck drivers


154 posted on 12/02/2007 6:53:03 AM PST by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: Hunterite
“Private roads would be both more efficient and safer. “

How do you figure that?

“But toll roads are not private roads.”

How else would a private company collect money if they didn’t have tolls?

You missed the point. You claimed that toll roads are private roads, but there are many public toll roads.

155 posted on 12/02/2007 6:56:09 AM PST by antinomian (Show me a robber baron and I'll show you a pocket full of senators.)
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To: Figment

The current fight should be against letting a million Mexican truckers into the US

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“they couldn’t be any worse than the meth head drunk american truck drivers”

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So, you really do want the Democrats to win. Call 99% of Americans obsolete, say they are earning too much money. Sure sure.

Hey everyone, keep voting for Globalists, you will certainly guarantee a Democrat win after win after win after win. Socialized medicine, HERE WE COME! Amnesty, HERE WE COME!


156 posted on 12/02/2007 6:57:22 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: elhombrelibre

This link should give you a reasonably good over view of what the NAFTA trade corridors are about. Just the segment in Texas will require the taking of 500,000 acres of private land.

http://www.fina-nafi.org/eng/integ/corridors.asp?langue=eng&menu=integ


157 posted on 12/02/2007 6:57:59 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: ovrtaxt

That’s all and good but we are not discussing illegal alien drivers ,we’re discussing legal Mexican truck drivers.


158 posted on 12/02/2007 7:02:00 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: antinomian
What do you mean not planned? This thing is real and has been a big issue in Texas politics for a couple of years now.

Facts don't matter to the Paul bashers, both Tom Tancredo & Duncan Hunter addressed this too. But because Paul said it, the disingenuous poster & the rest of the Pavlov dogs have to attack him.

159 posted on 12/02/2007 7:04:28 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: antinomian

“You missed the point. You claimed that toll roads are private roads, but there are many public toll roads.”

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From the perspective of the pedestrian, that distinction wouldn’t matter.


160 posted on 12/02/2007 7:05:19 AM PST by Hunterite
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