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To: Southack

Your diagram in #223 has an obvious flaw which, if you think about it, leads to the problem with your argument. It’s trying to chart how different forms diverged, but it’s also drawn in such a way as to imply the passage of time. In doing so, it locates fish only in the past—the flaw is that there’s no place in it for modern fish. If you add a fish up next to the bird to represent today’s fish, you need to also add another line extending from the original fish to today’s fish. And a lot of evolution can happen along that line—including the loss of some aspects of the immune system.


238 posted on 12/04/2007 12:43:54 PM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

It is the children’s version of the tree of life, drawn in 1968. This is another example of a creationist playing at witchcraft. Somehow reality can be altered by words and pictures.

In order to post his image, southhack had to ignore a link to a real diagram clearly labeled.


239 posted on 12/04/2007 1:16:50 PM PST by js1138
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical; Southack

No matter how far back you trace vertbrates and our ancestors, you’ll never find a cnidarian.


240 posted on 12/04/2007 1:25:25 PM PST by Virginia-American (Don't bring a comic book to an encyclopedia fight.)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
"Your diagram in #223 has an obvious flaw which..." - Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

It's not *my* diagram, ergo it's not my flaw...and I'm fine with using any tree of life diagram posted by any reputable Evolutionary Theory organization. So by all means post any such *relevant* (i.e. shows coral, humans, and all meaningful intermediary steps) tree of life diagram.

It’s trying to chart how different forms diverged, but it’s also drawn in such a way as to imply the passage of time." - Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

Oh, heaven forbid! The passage of time! Does time not pass in your world?!

"In doing so, it locates fish only in the past—the flaw is that there’s no place in it for modern fish. If you add a fish up next to the bird to represent today’s fish, you need to also add another line extending from the original fish to today’s fish. And a lot of evolution can happen along that line—including the loss of some aspects of the immune system." - Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

Modern fish. Ancient fish. Doesn't matter.

All Fish qualify. One could *pretend* that ancient Fish have different immune functionality than modern Fish, but there's no evidence for such red herrings.

Furthermore, losing a trait isn't the issue. Heck, even every Fish losing a trait isn't the issue.

The issue is that coral have a trait that humans have, but that trait doesn't appear in intermediary species (like Fish).

That's *not* evolution. That's genetic code skipping.

That's what human programmers do when they borrow an ancient coding subroutine for a next generation piece of software that a previous version didn't have.

Welcome to the world of Information Theory, where Evolution is easily disproved trillions of times per millisecond.

244 posted on 12/04/2007 1:47:42 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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