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To: glide625

I think it’s just hysterical that so many “conservatives” hate law enforcement so bitterly, yet will probably still claim that they support law and order. Kinda funny, that.


78 posted on 11/29/2007 8:00:03 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Ramius
I think it’s just hysterical that so many “conservatives” hate law enforcement so bitterly, yet will probably still claim that they support law and order.

Law enforcement and law and order are not necessarily one in the same---therein lies the rub.

81 posted on 11/29/2007 8:07:32 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Ramius
I think it’s just hysterical that so many “conservatives” hate law enforcement so bitterly, yet will probably still claim that they support law and order. Kinda funny, that.

This thread and conservatives concern in general with unnecessarily heavy-handed police action, is due to the fact that conservatives believe in freedom and fear a slide into a police state. And not coincidentally, these are part of the principles of the Founding Fathers behind our constitution -- fear and concern to avoid a tyrannical government.

While conservatives respect the law, laws are created "of by and for the people", per our Constitution;, and should not be used to unnecessarily detain, abuse, or relieve us of our money and property.

Conservatives respect individual freedom as outlined in the Constitution above the rights of the occasional rogue cop to run roughshod over us.

82 posted on 11/29/2007 8:09:06 AM PST by webschooner
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To: Ramius

The laws apply to the “enforcers” as well as us common citizens.

This includes the right to not be coerced and intimidated by authorities into giving up our rights.


83 posted on 11/29/2007 8:09:55 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Ramius
I think it’s just hysterical that so many “conservatives” hate law enforcement so bitterly, yet will probably still claim that they support law and order.

In 40 years I've only had one bad experience and yes it was an illegal search. One local cop in PA having a bad day decided to pass it on to me while his partner and I stood and watched in disbelief. All other experiences were very professional.

97 posted on 11/29/2007 8:23:55 AM PST by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Ramius

I think it’s amazing that so many “conservatives” are so willing to relinquish their rights. The rights guaranteed them by the Constitution. The conservatives I know cherish that. The rights you’re so willing to give up will eventually be taken from everyone else. For our own good of course.

The “cop hater” garbage is old. So spare us. Expecting the police to do their job without abusing their power is not “cop hating.” And using the term on law abiding citizens who simply expect the police to abide by the laws as well is a “cop out”.

Sad. Discouraging. But there’s nothing hysterical about it.


118 posted on 11/29/2007 8:58:32 AM PST by Sue Perkick (And I hope that what I’ve done here today doesn’t force you to have a negative opinion of me….)
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To: Ramius

My comments have nothing to do with hating law enforcement or the officers that enforce the laws; my comments have to do with the probabilities as they exist today. I and my family have long and well relied upon our local constabulary to maintain our safe neighborhood and they’ve done a magnificient job. However, there is a trade off. We know better than to be out and on the streets after 11:00 p.m. And if you’re dumb enough to be out there after 2:00 p.m., (when the bars close), you are truly asking for trouble. It’s as simple as that.


124 posted on 11/29/2007 9:06:11 AM PST by glide625
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To: Ramius
"I think it’s just hysterical that so many “conservatives” hate law enforcement so bitterly, yet will probably still claim that they support law and order. Kinda funny, that."

You are using too broad a brush. There is massive corruption and criminal activity in my town's police force that is protected under the fear that racism will be cried should it be corrected. This corruption is affecting the general public trust of the police here. There's 40+ chapters about it written here by NYT best selling author Jerry Bledsoe.

The local conservative press is doing all it can to bring about change but the local Democrat power structure thinks the status quo is better and wants to sweep the issues under the carpet.

137 posted on 11/29/2007 9:33:51 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: Ramius

What I think is hysterical is the number of freepers who don’t distinguish between legitimate law enforcement (that conservatives support) and actions that trample on citizens’ rights.

Issuing deserved speeding tickets is legitimate while bluffing citizens into refusing their rights is simply government oppression.


173 posted on 11/29/2007 11:21:42 AM PST by Eagle Eye (If you agree with Democrats you agree with America's enemies.)
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To: Ramius
I think it’s just hysterical that so many “conservatives” hate law enforcement so bitterly, yet will probably still claim that they support law and order. Kinda funny, that.

We support Constitutional law and order.

Kinda funny, that.

201 posted on 11/29/2007 7:09:37 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Ramius

I think it’s just hysterical that so many “conservatives” hate law enforcement so bitterly, yet will probably still claim that they support law and order.


I value law and order. I just believe that it originates from an armed populace, not from unionized badge-bearers. And I oppose our militarized law enforcement. It has become the standing army our founders feared.

Cops should be allowed no more privileges, especially with respect to arms, than ordinary citizens.


247 posted on 12/02/2007 10:28:01 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: Ramius
I think it’s just hysterical that so many “conservatives” hate law enforcement so bitterly, yet will probably still claim that they support law and order. Kinda funny, that.

What a pathetically Liberal response.

Much in the vein of a Leftist claiming one is 'against children' because they refuse to take in every illegal immigrant who sneaks across the border with a family in tow.

Supporting law enforcement when they do their jobs correctly and in accordance with the rules set forth by the Founders is what Conservatives do best. When law enforcement strays from its duties and infringes on a free people's rights, that must make the Conservative angry.

258 posted on 12/02/2007 3:24:10 PM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: Ramius
I think it’s just hysterical that so many “conservatives” hate law enforcement so bitterly, yet will probably still claim that they support law and order. Kinda funny, that.

Many of us here would like the government to return to the days of "peace officers", whose job was to help maintain law and order. Unfortunately, peace officers have been largely replaced by rev'nooers. While I'm not entirely opposed to all rev'nooers (after all, the government has a legitimate need to get some money somehow) the blurring of the distinction between rev'nooers and peace officers has in fact been detrimental to both groups as well as to the general public.

269 posted on 12/02/2007 5:27:18 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Ramius

Don’t hate Law Enforcement Officers but I do understand that there is a difference between what used to be known as peace officers ie the cop on the beat who knew who was up to mischief & the guys you got today who will ask you bluntly if you would like your beating with the handcuffs on or off.


278 posted on 12/02/2007 7:34:49 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Ramius
I think it's just hysterical that so many "conservatives" hate law enforcement so bitterly, yet will probably still claim that they support law and order. Kinda funny, that.

I think it's hysterical that you think it's hysterical. Or perhaps you're right and "conservatives" isn't the right word for Freepers. "Free" and "Republic" both sound to me like a society in which the citizen has supremacy over the government except in the most stringently defined areas, and one in which the FREE citizen is EXPECTED to be constantly vigilant for government agents overstepping the bounds WE have laid out for them. Go back and read the founding documents again to try to understand the feelings the founders held about government as an institution.

284 posted on 12/03/2007 5:14:52 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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