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In Hospice Care, Longer Lives Mean Money Lost (Patients Refuse To Die)
NY Times ^ | 27 November 2007 | By KEVIN SACK

Posted on 11/27/2007 6:50:27 AM PST by shrinkermd

Hundreds of hospice providers across the country are facing the catastrophic financial consequence of what would otherwise seem a positive development: their patients are living longer than expected.

Over the last eight years, the refusal of patients to die according to actuarial schedules has led the federal government to demand that hospices exceeding reimbursement limits repay hundreds of millions of dollars to Medicare.

The charges are assessed retrospectively, so in most cases the money has long since been spent on salaries, medicine and supplies. After absorbing huge assessments for several years, often by borrowing at high rates, a number of hospice providers are bracing for a new round that they fear may shut their doors.

One is Hometown Hospice, which has been providing care here since 2003 to some of the most destitute residents of Wilcox County, the poorest place in Alabama.

The locally owned, for-profit agency, which serves about 60 patients, mostly in their homes, had to repay the government $900,000, or 27 percent of its revenues, from its first two years of operation, said Tanya O. Walker-Butts, a co-owner. Its profits were wiped out in the time it took to open the demand letters, Ms. Walker-Butts said.

Hometown paid its first assessment with a bank loan. When the bank declined credit for the second year, the hospice structured a five-year payment plan with the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the federal agency that administers the program, at 12.5 percent interest.

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To: 8mmMauser; wagglebee

Bring a barf bag.


21 posted on 11/27/2007 7:48:02 AM PST by LilAngel (FReeping on a cell phone is like making Christmas dinner in an Easy Bake Oven)
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To: shrinkermd

Having put several relatives through hospice care in Branford CT. It was noted to me by the nurses that Yale New Haven Dumps terminal patients on them at the end of every month so their Success or cure rate looks pretty good for the books.

They are a little premature though as some patients end up walking out of there after several weeks.

A side note; I always disliked actor “Rat Boy” Richard Gere until I found out he regularly visits the patients there as he lives on the water within view of the facility


22 posted on 11/27/2007 7:50:49 AM PST by underbyte
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To: underbyte

It is a misconception that a hospice is exclusively a place to die. A lot of people “graduate” from hospice care. It’s one of the things that keeps the people who work there going.


23 posted on 11/27/2007 7:57:52 AM PST by DManA
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To: LilAngel; 8mmMauser; MHGinTN; BykrBayb; Mr. Silverback; Sun

Translation:
"This person suffering from hereditary
defects costs the people 60,000
Reichmarks during his lifetime. People,
that is your money. Read 'New People'."

24 posted on 11/27/2007 8:04:18 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: LilAngel

Explain...would you put your 80 year old mother through BRAIN SURGERY? Are you insinuating what I think you are?


25 posted on 11/27/2007 8:04:56 AM PST by Hildy (Faith is the bird that sings when the dawn is still dark.)
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26 posted on 11/27/2007 8:05:30 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I would never put anyone I loved in a hospice.


27 posted on 11/27/2007 8:08:03 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Hildy

Consider too that anesthesia can worsen dementia. Is this really wise? I had the same situation where the doc says well maybe a pacemaker would help (but maybe it wouldn’t). So a $10,000 (guesstimate) procedure for my 80-year-old father-in-law that MIGHT help? All paid for by Medicare of course. We declined and he’s doing fine, although his dementia is increasing. We’re paying $5,000 a month for memory care and resources are dwindling.


28 posted on 11/27/2007 8:11:14 AM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: Hildy

Consider too that anesthesia can worsen dementia. Is this really wise? I had the same situation where the doc says well maybe a pacemaker would help (but maybe it wouldn’t). So a $10,000 (guesstimate) procedure for my 80-year-old father-in-law that MIGHT help? All paid for by Medicare of course. We declined and he’s doing fine, although his dementia is increasing. We’re paying $5,000 a month for memory care and resources are dwindling.


29 posted on 11/27/2007 8:11:16 AM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: underbyte

Where should terminal patients go if not to hospice? Hospice has a very different objective than hospitals - to make patients comfortable.


30 posted on 11/27/2007 8:12:53 AM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: Hildy; LilAngel
Well, it certainly didn't take long for you to cheer the culture of death.

And before you start, I am NOT saying that you should have subjected your mother to brain surgery; however, YOU are implying that none of us should have that option. I believe that in these cases, the wishes of the dying person should be adhered to as long as they are informed of the options.

31 posted on 11/27/2007 8:14:20 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Hildy
"By the way, IMO, hospice care is the best thing the medical community has come up with in a very long time."

Yea..dog pounds are a great concept as well. No more poop to clean up and everything is taken "care of" for you. It's so easy!

32 posted on 11/27/2007 8:24:34 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Earthdweller

do you actually know what hospice care is? I don’t think so because you could NEVER say this if you did. I’ll refrain from saying what i really want to say because, frankly, you’re not worth my time.


33 posted on 11/27/2007 8:33:12 AM PST by Hildy (Faith is the bird that sings when the dawn is still dark.)
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To: Hildy

Yes..I do as a matter of fact know EXACTLY what a hospice is...first hand, so tread softly with me easy button Lady.


34 posted on 11/27/2007 8:35:39 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: trisham
I would never put anyone I loved in a hospice.

My husband's hospice care was at home. He wanted to die at home. I am a retired nurse, I had the help of family and hospice, and I am so grateful for everything they did.

35 posted on 11/27/2007 8:37:03 AM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: wagglebee
Well of course...I didn't say otherwise. You think many 80 year old will agree to brain surgery? When I told my mother, she rolled her eyes with an emphatic no.

Let me qualify this...if it's an 80 year old in good health, who could basically withstand it, then it's a viable option..but to do this because, frankly, it's FREE, is ridiculous.

The reason all of this sounds cold is because we're talking about money here. That's what this article is about. If someone told you that there's a serious operation for your 80 year old mother, that MIGHT improve her quality of life a little, what would you say? If you were told the operation cost YOU $250,000, what would you say then? That's the point. Someone else is paying.

36 posted on 11/27/2007 8:37:48 AM PST by Hildy (Faith is the bird that sings when the dawn is still dark.)
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To: Hildy
I’ll refrain from saying what i really want to say because, frankly, you’re not worth my time.

*************

Hmmm. Can't you just spend a minute or two on it?

37 posted on 11/27/2007 8:38:40 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Then you have no idea what hospice is...you could never say that if you did. Have you ever been with someone during their end of life?


38 posted on 11/27/2007 8:38:43 AM PST by Hildy (Faith is the bird that sings when the dawn is still dark.)
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To: Judith Anne; trisham

I know that there are good hospices out there, but there are a lot more that seem to be more interested in speeding up death. I think it’s important to research them before using them.


39 posted on 11/27/2007 8:39:33 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Hildy

Talk to me about it sweet charlotte....


40 posted on 11/27/2007 8:39:57 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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