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"Williams makes only mild criticisms of the Islamic world. He said the Muslim world must acknowledge that its “political solutions were not the most impressive”."

Next, he'll be proclaiming "peace in our time". What a tool.

1 posted on 11/24/2007 11:42:21 PM PST by Roberts
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“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,”

Very first words of the Bill of Rights. The Founding Fathers knew what they were about.

The CoE is a decaying relic from the Middle Ages, serving only as a refuge for goebbelist lefty vultures like this lying buffoon. The UK should abolish the established church and let these charlatans fend completely for themselves.


34 posted on 11/25/2007 1:12:46 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (Rousing the blog-rabble since 9-11-01)
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He contrasted it unfavourably with how the British Empire governed India. “It is one thing to take over a territory and then pour energy and resources into administering it and normalising it. Rightly or wrongly, that’s what the British Empire did — in India, for example.

“It is another thing to go in on the assumption that a quick burst of violent action will somehow clear the decks and that you can move on and other people will put it back together — Iraq, for example.”

This guy has no clue about America. That he has a writing gig condemns England.

35 posted on 11/25/2007 1:16:11 AM PST by rogue yam
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Williams makes only mild criticisms of the Islamic world.

Mild criticism of Islam? When they have his head on a spike maybe it will say something else... or maybe it will still be berating the Americans. I’m sure everybody will be interested. This sad priest is a follower of Rousseau and his remarks boarder on comedy.

36 posted on 11/25/2007 1:16:43 AM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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There might be 11 people in the whole of the British Isles who take this pathetic fossil seriously as any kind of leader (and five of those are Muslims).

Nevertheless, the anti-American bigots in the media love to quote him when his views agree with theirs, which is most of the time.

They are not crazy or ignorant, they are evil.


37 posted on 11/25/2007 1:16:51 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (Rousing the blog-rabble since 9-11-01)
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I think the man is down right evil.

Said as much some time ago here and got trashed as a result...

My opinion hasn’t changed...


39 posted on 11/25/2007 1:20:18 AM PST by DB
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Dear Archbishop:

Hahahahahahahahahahah.....gasp.....hahahahahah!!

Sincerely (or not)

Redhead

41 posted on 11/25/2007 1:22:22 AM PST by redhead (VICTORY FIRST, THEN PEACE)
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..."somebody wake me when this twit makes any sense"

43 posted on 11/25/2007 1:39:13 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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"He contrasted it unfavourably with how the British Empire governed India. “It is one thing to take over a territory and then pour energy and resources into administering it and normalising it. Rightly or wrongly, that’s what the British Empire did — in India, for example."

The Empire starved millions of Indians to death with its policy.


44 posted on 11/25/2007 1:41:02 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been)
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In the interview in Emel, a Muslim lifestyle magazine, Williams makes only mild criticisms of the Islamic world.

It seems this "Muslim lifestyle magazine" likes to dish it out but can't take it:

“We try to give a Muslim perspective,” says Mahmud al-Rashid, Joseph’s husband, who is a full-time trial lawyer as well as the magazine’s volunteer publisher and editor-in-chief.

“In everything Mahmud and I do, we try to eradicate the misconceptions that became increasingly prevalent after 9/11,” says Joseph, who in 1994 became the first female editor of Trends, a uk Muslim youth magazine, and who was also founding editor of The Common Good, a publication of the Muslim Council of Britain. Now 32, she is also a part-time doctoral student who lectures frequently and widely on interfaith issues, religious tolerance and women’s issues.

You have to make sure that people know about Islam and Muslims in a positive way. Muslim people do normal things, live normal lives. And the fact that we’ve got three children makes it paramount to make a better world for them. There is all this talk of clash of civilizations, but we’ve all got to coexist here!”

Al-Rashid explains that, in emel, “we wanted to produce something that we wanted to read ourselves—something with a Muslim perspective on life, looking through western Muslim eyes, something that could reveal the high culture of Islam, not the usual stereotypes.

emel's Hope

The magazine has no problem printing crap about the US and The West but sounds awfully sensitive when it comes to Muslims. This is exactly what is wrong with Muslims today, ducking the real issues that need to be squarely dealt with in regards to Islam and the modern world and what's wrong with Islam that has created all the problems.

45 posted on 11/25/2007 1:41:20 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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The nation of Islam is the most evil of Empires. It tolerates no competinng ideology. It preaches total supremacy in law and spirit. It knows no borders but all of the servents bow to the capital 5 times every day.

Non-muslims face a death sentence for daring to enter the capital.


46 posted on 11/25/2007 1:48:13 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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He said the Muslim world must acknowledge that its “political solutions were not the most impressive”."

Political?

49 posted on 11/25/2007 2:01:57 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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The good Archbishop is a man supremely unqualified by virtue of his education, experience, profession, and personal history to opine about American foreign policy, especially American military policy. He is utterly unqualified to speak in every respect.

Yet speak out he does with sweeping, worldwide conclusions about what is wrong with America. Nor is he bashful about telling us his prescription about how America should heal itself and properly behave in world (He urged it to launch a “generous and intelligent programme of aid directed to the societies that have been ravaged; a check on the economic exploitation of defeated territories; a demilitarisation of their presence”.)

But it is his diagnosis of what's wrong with America thatreally demonstrates his unfitness to judge: [America's] attempt to intervene overseas by "“clearing the decks”" with a "“quick burst of violent action"”

Should military action be conducted incompletely with slow increments of ineffectual action? As a military theoretician he makes a good Archbishop. Unfortunately, as archbishop, he makes a lousy Archbishop.

He does however reach for an observation which his training and presumed piety would have hopefully equipped him:He poured scorn on the “chosen nation myth of America, meaning that what happens in America is very much at the heart of God’s purpose for humanity”.

Here is after all a man who should know what God's purpose for humanity is-that is after all his profession. He is the head of the established Church of England who has the very ear of his boss, the Queen. The ordained, living vicar of Christ in England! We all wait to hear what this man has to say. Here it is:

“Our modern western definition of humanity is clearly not working very well. There is something about western modernity which really does eat away at the soul.”

Yes, yes, but what do we do about it?

He commends the Muslim practice of praying five times a day, which he says allows the remembrance of God to be “built in deeply in their daily rhythm”.

He does not have a clue.

One might have thought that he would encourage us to flee to the cross, to return our Christian roots, to implore the intervention of our God through the mediation of our Christ. But no, his nostrums are all mechanical and suspiciously left wing and anti-American. Whatever they are, they are secular. Has he no answer for us as the vicar of Christ? Can he only pander to this Muslim audience? Has Christianity offered him nothing to tell them? Will he throw away his faith to gain acceptance with this crowd? Does he have any faith?

He is the head honcho on the operations level of the established Church of England. Who more than the Archbishop is more responsible for a society that is "not working very well. There is something about western modernity which really does eat away at the soul." Whose job is it to fix this if not his? But he can't fix it, he has no idea about how to fix it except to resort again to the insanity of more leftist programs piled on failed left failed leftist programs hoping against hope that this time the failed formula will work. He is not a man of God, he is a damn socialist in sheep's clothing. He is a liar and a hypocrite. Take off your vestments if you will lecture us; garbed as you are, with scepter in hand, you are nothing but a mountebank.

So the Archbishop has no answers in his own sphere for which he is presumably trained and experienced and in which he admits, "eats away at the soul." But in the sphere which he has no competence whatsoever he presumes to lecture the world's only superpower about how to exercise its responsibilities and indeed how to maintain its national security against terrorists who would cheerfully kill the Archbishop along with every American to impose their theocracy. Funny how the Islamicists don't have any problems figuring out God's will.

The Archbishop, as ridiculous as he is, is but a figure of the left. They do not know God's will, but they are quick to tell you what it is not. They are quick to accuse others falsely of claiming the mantle of God, but it is they who play God. Their arrogance can kill us.


51 posted on 11/25/2007 2:13:52 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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This is called the Stockholm Syndrome.
And it’s infected scores of those in official positions of authority in the UK.
The Archbishop of Canterbury , yet.
An iconic figure.
And in an interview with a “British Muslim Magazine”,
which is the FIRST thing that’s wrong with this.
Before you know it, the A of C will be given some official Islamic position, like overseeing New Mosque Construction.
This is all so PATHETICALLY SAD.


53 posted on 11/25/2007 2:23:25 AM PST by supremedoctrine ('Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length' --Robert Frost)
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Does he hit his head on the floor five times a day ?


56 posted on 11/25/2007 2:42:18 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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quote starts

“The popular idea in the West was that Islam attained its great success within and without Arabia by violent means. “While the state was exhausted by the Persian war,” writes Gibbon on the Roman Empire, “. . . Mohammed, with the sword in one hand and the Koran in the other, erected his throne on the ruins of Christianity and of Rome.” 1 Modern scholars only rarely commit themselves to such hasty and general verdicts. 2 There are, on the other hand, some moderm scholars who discount to a large extent the violent means and maintain that Islam was mainly spread by “preaching.” 3

quote ends

- THE LAW OF WAR AND PEACE IN ISLAM
By
MAJID KHADDURI, Ph.D.
LONDON
LUZAC & CO.
1941


59 posted on 11/25/2007 2:59:02 AM PST by Finnish lurker
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How sweet it is!


61 posted on 11/25/2007 3:29:33 AM PST by Waco
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The Archbishop of Canterbury? ..... how many divisions does he have?


64 posted on 11/25/2007 3:47:05 AM PST by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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What a total, complete idiot.


65 posted on 11/25/2007 3:49:28 AM PST by RightOnline
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The THE Archbishop of Canterbury can kiss my scepter.
67 posted on 11/25/2007 3:53:37 AM PST by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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“Rowan Williams claimed that America’s attempt to intervene overseas by “clearing the decks” with a “quick burst of violent action” had led to “the worst of all worlds”.”

He needs to be a victim of a Dictator like Sadaam Hussein. His attitude would get adjusted.

It’s looking like the Worldwide Universal Church is well along toward completion, the way big mouths like him are sounding.


71 posted on 11/25/2007 4:22:26 AM PST by RoadTest ("The Lord bringeth the council of the heathen to naught" - Psalm 33, verse 10)
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