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I'm Tossing in with Romney, With apologies for any coronaries caused.(Critic Becomes Supporter)
RedState.com ^ | ? | Leon H. Wolf

Posted on 11/21/2007 6:06:37 AM PST by Reaganesque

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To: ejonesie22

yeah but i dont deliberately misrepresent others remarks or interpret things out of context. Either you are a liar or someone who has major issues with comprehension. Either way it seems you need to some assistance.


141 posted on 11/21/2007 9:12:27 AM PST by GregH
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To: Reaganesque
"Will he govern as a conservative?" I know that part of the reason it took me so long to come around to this position is that I heard too many people saying the former, and not enough repeatedly asking me the latter.

Yes, he will. He already governed conservatively in Massachusetts. It just takes an objective look at the actual record to see that.

As Jeff Jacoby of the Boston Globe put it: "Romney’s very public migration rightward over the last few years is . . . intended not to hide his real views but to liberate them.

142 posted on 11/21/2007 9:23:20 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate (www.MittReport.com)
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To: Reaganesque
The most important item in considering a candidate is his judicial nominees. Yes, there are many terribly important factors-security, illegals, economy, etc. But we have been losing the culture battle in the courts for the last 30-40 years, maybe longer.

Another thread today tells about the murder of a couple by a felon released early by a liberal Democrat, Romney appointed, Mass. judge. In that article were quotes from Romney on his criteria for nominating judges. He thinks political affiliation does not matter--just look at the background in law. Now, that sounds so great--party affiliation should not matter--the operative word being should. That said, tell me whether or not the liberal Democrat ideologies of Ruth Ginsberg, David Souter, et al have mattered in decisions affecting our way of life.

Both Giuliana (who I would have a hard time voting for) and Fred Thompson as lawyers, know the law and have both stated they would appoint conservative, strict constructionist judges. Giuliana parsed his language a bit, so I have some doubts.

vaudine

143 posted on 11/21/2007 9:28:13 AM PST by vaudine (RO)
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To: teddyballgame

“The Governor of the most radically liberal Democratic state in the US is being marketed as if he is a slightly conservative Republican. Horse crap!”

Don’t blame it on the state, he governed as a conservative. I know I live here.
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Reagan, conservative’s “perfect” president, was the governor of the very blue state of California, where I live. It’s pretty hypocritical of people to criticize Mitt Romney for the same thing and then tout Reagan as the Savior of the Conservatives.

Mitt Romney 2008!


144 posted on 11/21/2007 9:32:12 AM PST by bethtopaz (Liberals don't lie--- they just forget where they buried the dismembered remains of the truth.)
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To: businessprofessor; teddyballgame
The issue didn't wake most people up until they started marching in our streets, did it? Plus, his state is not one with a large population of illegals so it did not dominate domestic policy as it does in other states.

However, even prior to authorizing state troopers to coordinate with ICE he denied illegals driver's licences in 2003, denied tuition breaks to illegals in 2004 and insisted everyone one learn English. His mind has always been in the right place -- on law and order and national sovereignty -- as opposed to others like McCain, Huckabee, Rudy etc who have always been weak on this issue.

I doubt he would have teamed up with Sheriff Joe, if he didn't have the right idea on immigration. Mitt is endorsed by Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, AZ. Sheriff Joe Tells Why Romney Is the One

145 posted on 11/21/2007 9:34:11 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate (www.MittReport.com)
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To: NavyCanDo

I suggest that you read the book by Hugh Hewitt, “A Mormon In The White House: Ten Things Every American Should Know About Mitt Romney.”

The more you learn about Mitt Romney, the more impressed you will be.

Let me know what you think of the book.


146 posted on 11/21/2007 9:34:27 AM PST by bethtopaz (Liberals don't lie--- they just forget where they buried the dismembered remains of the truth.)
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To: MBB1984

I am leaning towards Mitt. He has his defects, but I am very impressed with his business acumen, success with the Olympics, and fact that he was elected governor from a very democratic state. With his business experience, government experience, and MBA and JD from Harvard, he is the most qualified individual running for President bar none.
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This is why I am supporting Mitt Romney:

1) Conservative Policies
2) Executive Experience, and
3) A Proven Track Record Of Success.

I especially like his “Bain Way” of solving problems.


147 posted on 11/21/2007 9:36:00 AM PST by bethtopaz (Liberals don't lie--- they just forget where they buried the dismembered remains of the truth.)
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To: Reaganesque

I have to admit in the end that Romney has worked the hardest, run the smartest campaign, and outlasted all other Republican comers save Rudy, and we all know how I feel about Rudy. In the end, if I had to choose between seeing Romney and Rudy standing, it wouldn’t even be a close call.
***No, Hunter has worked the hardest and done the most with the least. Romney had his millions. Fred had his spotlight and squandered it. Name recognition comes as a result of the process — it can be acquired.

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Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts
Posted on 11/15/2007 3:43:17 AM PST by Kevmo


148 posted on 11/21/2007 9:37:14 AM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Reaganesque

I don’t particularly care for Romney, but if he gets the nomination, I’ll support him. At that point in the game, it’s either a Republican oe democrat who gets the vote, and I sure as hell ain’t voting for the dem.


149 posted on 11/21/2007 9:38:28 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: ejonesie22

Hunter has a huge support here in FR, but in the real world his polls are low.

It is important for the candidate to have name recognition and fund raising skills and not just win FR polls.


150 posted on 11/21/2007 9:39:48 AM PST by GregH
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To: Reaganesque
In all other areas, I don't seriously doubt that he'll govern as a conservative. I have, in all honesty, a *lot* less doubt about that than I had about Bush in 1999.

I hear ya there. There were plenty of us that knew Bush was a RINO globalist supreme back in '99. But there were plenty of others that were snookered/swayed by all his Christian talk (as if it somehow made him a conservative), which of course was quite appealing to voters after eight years of the Slickster.

151 posted on 11/21/2007 9:41:04 AM PST by Mr. Mojo (“Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss.")
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To: vaudine; Reaganesque
Wendy Long, Chief Counsel, Judicial Confirmation Network, former clerk of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, endorsed Mitt Romney and became his senior legal advisor and vice chair of his National Faith and Values Steering Committee, a move that some have called “a political coup” because the conventional wisdom was that she would endorse Fred Thompson.

She explains why she chose Mitt instead:

She candidly acknowledges that she always liked Fred Thompson, in part because his support of causes like Scooter Libby “warmed her heart,” but ultimately concluded that Thompson could “not hold a candle to the Governor on intellect or leadership.”

Long also explains that leadership “matters tremendously” in selecting a president. For her this includes “the ability to direct the many and far flung team” that a president needs to confirm judges and lead the Justice Department. She cites Romney’s experience in business and running the Olympics and as Governor as proof he can “lead a large organization and then delegate” to competent managers.

Long argues that Romney “is the only one I’m absolutely sure” will give us more nominees like Justices Alito and Roberts. Long is an articulate spokesperson both to bolster Romney’s conservative credentials and to take aim at Thompson, the opponent who clearly will pose a threat to his efforts to woo social conservatives.

“Our country faces a new generation of challenges, which has presented our courts with a new generation of legal issues. As Governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney witnessed firsthand the impact our courts can have when facing these new challenges. I believe that he, better than any other candidate for President, understands the need for our courts to respect democracy and the will of the people. I believe that he, better than any other candidate for President, would nominate judges and justices of the highest caliber, who would be faithful to the text, history, and principles of our Constitution. I look forward to working with the Governor.”http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=11799

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1905345/posts

152 posted on 11/21/2007 9:46:06 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate (www.MittReport.com)
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To: GregH
FR polls are not real or representative of the Republican conservative voters.

If they were, we would've been inaugurating President Alan Keyes in 2000. ;-P

153 posted on 11/21/2007 11:09:21 AM PST by lonevoice (It's always "Apologize to a Muslim Hour"...somewhere)
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To: teddyballgame

==> “The last time I looked “FDT” was running at 3% in NH. He’s in last place behind Ron Paul. Maybe time to start looking at another candidate.” <==

I believe that the majority of the financial (and demonstrative) support for Ron Paul comes from the far, far left wing kook fringe and has nothing at all to do with conservative principle. I don’t believe he has demonstrated any measurable amount of the latter.

Every presidency begins with an oath to “Preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution,” which I interpret to include the Country that enshrines that document. That oath is sworn to G_d, so it is meaningless without true faith, and futile without the character, commitment, and personal integrity that give it force.

But faith, character, commitment, and integrity are not enough in this complex world - the President also needs intelligence, perception, judgement, and flexibility to deal with constantly changing and evolving situations that are far beyond the scope of “contingency plans” that no longer match the world as it is.

We develop our political persona by combining these into a set of paradigms that become the principles that define our political positions, then invent or adopt a simplified catch-phrase to capture (without fully describing) and label - with a positive spin - their support or opposition to particular actions. Unfortunately, in far too many circumstances the greatest amount of influence over choosing these labels is to identify with the largest number of voters, and the greatest influence on actions is the money contributed, whether to the campaign funds or for personal gain.

NOT A SINGLE CANDIDATE OF EITHER MAJOR PARTY IS IDEAL, SO QUIT INSISTING ON PERFECTION!

In my opinion:

Guiliani is personally impressive - quick-thinking, charismatic, engaging, intelligent, and intensely patriotic. But his personal life is a mess, and his anti-life positions on abortion and stem-cell research contravene his stated religious convictions, and would make him a very bitter choice for me - only marginally better than Clinton or Obama.

McCain has an apparently compelling personal story, but I do not believe that it means very much about what kind of president he would be. His primary objective - for years now - has been his presidential candidacy rather than any of the principles he has claimed, and his ardent support of CFR did violence to the Constitution. He might select better judges, which ranks him only slightly above Guiliani on my list.

Tancredo has been a one-note candidate - and while I like that illegal-immigration note, it is not enough.

I have a friend who has been a constant Republican party operative (and occasional candidate) in Eastern Arkansas and North Mississippi. He likes Thompson, and REALLY likes Huckabee - both of whom he knows fairly well. But another one he admires is Tennessee Senator Lamar Alexander, a failed candidate from bygone years. Alexander claims to be conservative, but is actually a pretty squishy moderate who requires constant prodding and reminding to remain conservative.

Thompson has a perfect pro-life voting record, and the noises about his alleged failures on this topic are just that - noises. I was disappointed with his split vote on impeachment, and unmollified by his explanation. And I believe that if basic human rights are being violated under color of the Constitution due to judicial error, amending the Constitution to make those rights explicit is a perfectly proper solution. Huckabee is right on the Human Life Amendment issue, and Thompson’s convoluted and legalistic state by state solution is wrong. Roe V Wade might be the worst jurisprudence ever to emerge from the bowels of the USSC, but overturning it would not prevent a reoccurrence. The same applies to the equally odious free speech limitations of McCain - (Thompson) - Feingold.

ALL branches of the federal government are a creation of the PEOPLE, and the artificial “wall of separation” between the Supremes and the people needs some doors and windows, or it will be torn down by the owners.

But Thompson has NOT been reluctant to chastise the USSC, and I think that he might be the best of all for his potential judicial appointments.

Huckabee is smart, articulate, and personally charismatic. He has the most executive experience in government of any of the candidates in either party, and he had to step in and clean up a governmental disaster left by a governor on his way to several years in jail. And he is honest, on the scale we have to use for politicians. But he has supported large tax increases, soft treatment of illegal aliens, and major intrusion of government into private lives. He claims to have changed his views on all of these issues, but has not demonstrated these changes anywhere but in rhetoric. I wish I had a real idea of his judicial nominees, but I have heard nothing but platitudes so far.

Duncan Hunter strikes almost all of the right notes with me EXCEPT for lack of chief executive experience. In addition, the military experience of Hunter and his son are a strong positive. Also, he has been a VERY effective congressman, and has been responsible for several important pieces of legislation. But his chances, like those of any member of the House, are virtually zero. I MIGHT support him in the primary, and would CERTAINLY vote for him, but do not expect to have that opportunity.

Romney has a LOT of positives. He has both government and real-world chief executive experience, a solid plus. But that it was in Massachusetts raises alarm bells that are not silenced by an examination of his record there. His conservative actions were largely symbolic, including appointments, while his liberal record there is substantial and real. The health plan is a perfect example of what NOT to like about him, and I am concerned that he is way too moderate in his heart toward the illegal alien invasion. But if he is the candidate, I will enthusiastically support him.

So. Thompson will win Tennessee easily. He won’t need my vote, so I expect to give it to Hunter on principle, and expect my state to go to Thompson. But let me be clear - ANY of these is better than ANYONE on the left side.


154 posted on 11/21/2007 11:10:55 AM PST by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!)
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To: GregH
It is also important for the candidate who is selected by Conservatives to be a Conservative in both word and DEED......
155 posted on 11/21/2007 12:16:31 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Mitt Romney, Republican Conservative?)
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To: Reaganesque
I could line up behind Mitt. None of our Republican candidates are the whole package for me, but short of Reagan coming back to life, anyone we choose is going to come up short. I didn't follow politics when Reagan was president, but I bet Repubs complained about him at times too.

Hillary Clinton is a beast. None of our Republican candidates are beasts. I don't particularly like John McCain, but if he's the choice I would gladly support him too. Mitt Romney has got a lot of energy, he's got business sense, he knows how to get things done. If he's the guy, I'll support him.

156 posted on 11/21/2007 2:54:27 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: Lazarus Longer

President Bush has been a big disappointment to me. But he got two conservatives on the Supreme Court. That’s more than Gore or Kerry would have done.


157 posted on 11/21/2007 2:58:01 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: ejonesie22
The candidate that will "sell this country down the river" is Hillary Rodham Clinton, Her Highness

It looks increasingly like the only person that stands between HRC and the Oval Office is Mitt Romney!

158 posted on 11/21/2007 4:55:03 PM PST by JTC1767 (If the Mitt Fits, You Must Commit (Elect Romney In 2008))
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To: GregH
I like Duncan Hunter very much and can see him as Mitt's Veep or as Sec. Def.

In the meantime, we have a general election to win. If we foul ball this election by the eternal in-fighting amongst fellow Republicans, we will be rolling out the red carpet for HRC.

159 posted on 11/21/2007 5:07:17 PM PST by JTC1767 (If the Mitt Fits, You Must Commit (Elect Romney In 2008))
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To: beaversmom
But he got two conservatives on the Supreme Court. That’s more than Gore or Kerry would have done.

No doubt about it. ...although if not for the pressure exerted on the President by us rightwingers we'd have Harriet Miers on the court instead of Alito.

Regarding the upcoming election, as RINOish as the GOP frontrunners are every last one of them would choose SCOTUS justices far preferable to those chosen by Hillary. Any of the Dem candidates would stack the court with hardcore leftist-activist types, and if history is any indication the GOP Senate would confirm them without much opposition.

160 posted on 11/21/2007 5:10:15 PM PST by Mr. Mojo (“Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss.")
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