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Don't be surprised if Clinton loses the nomination.
1 posted on 11/20/2007 7:19:52 PM PST by CWW
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Egads, another thread on Hillary’s compound make-up techniques?


2 posted on 11/20/2007 7:21:38 PM PST by Cvengr (Every believer is a grenade. Arrogance is the grenade pin. Pull the pin and fragment your life.)
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What a nauseating mental image THAT headline projects.
3 posted on 11/20/2007 7:21:53 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ("Liberals want to save the world for the children they aren't having." -Mark Steyn)
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Run Hillary Run!


4 posted on 11/20/2007 7:22:33 PM PST by PGalt
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She simply does not wear well over time.

I could have done without that line. too.

5 posted on 11/20/2007 7:23:45 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ("Liberals want to save the world for the children they aren't having." -Mark Steyn)
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The only thing that is saving Hillary! is that there are two-and-a-half anti-Hillary! candidates in the Democrat Primary. Once that begins to shake up, and the anti-Hillary! vote gravitates to main challenger, Hillary! could be in real trouble.

Nobody is pulling the lever for Edwards, Obama or Richardson because they like any of these guys. They are all just voting against Hillary!.

8 posted on 11/20/2007 7:25:37 PM PST by gridlock (Recycling is the new Religion.)
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Sarah Palin. The first woman that people want for President

10 posted on 11/20/2007 7:26:41 PM PST by ari-freedom (Scientific consensus is formed by the public schools and government grants.)
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"Hillary Clinton -- Ominous Signs of Cracks in The Foundation."

What a disgusting thought.

12 posted on 11/20/2007 7:27:26 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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I would be very surprised. She is a lock no matter how the MSM tries to spin it. And the MSM continues its 2 to 1 coverage of the Dem race making the Rep primary almost an after thought. Mission accomplished.


13 posted on 11/20/2007 7:27:57 PM PST by kabar
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She will go for veep when her polling tells her to...


17 posted on 11/20/2007 7:32:05 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they have to)
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O’Bama says the Big O (Oprah) is going to campaign for him in Iowa. That should do it for him. Hillary’s baggage is weighing her down, and the press doesn’t seem to be as afraid of her. There is more to come, I hope.


18 posted on 11/20/2007 7:35:47 PM PST by casino66 ( If I vote Dem I'll get everything 'free')
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I've been thinking about this for a long time and I do not think Hillary is the worst of the lot. Okay when I start to think of Willey and Broaddrick then I have to acknowledge she may have the coldest and meanest heart of the lot. But poltiically speaking, I think she is too much like her husband in that she will bend when public opinion goes against her ideology because she loves power more than anything. I could be wrong. She could be the principled one in the family. But with Bill we got stuff like Welfare Reform. It's something.

I think Kucinich and Obama are tied for the worst of the bunch. Second, Edwards. Third Biden.

If I could pick I would choose Dodd. Okay he stinks, but less offensively than the others. Second would be Richardson, though my gut says he is unprincipled. I guess unprincipled in an opponent who disagrees with you on everything is the only hope you have. He might stab his own in the back once in awhile.

Gravel cannot be taken seriously.

Hillary is somewhere in the middle, probably after Richardson. Except that I think she has a criminal mind and that's scary. Still, all eyes will be on her and she is hated enough by the right that they won't let her get by with anything.

If Hillary wins I will grieve for Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broaddrick more than I will for the race before us.

23 posted on 11/20/2007 7:39:44 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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What Hillary has going for her is that the two other options are even worse. Hillary isnt likeable, but at least she knows how to position yourself to win an election, and she understands that an election is a war, its not a debating society.

Thats why she’ll end up being the nominee. She is a poor candidate (although being a woman is a wild card). But with the shape the republican party is in she still may be able to win. I dont think you could say that in any other year.


24 posted on 11/20/2007 7:41:22 PM PST by OmegaMan
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I don’t see Hillary Clinton as the eventual democrat party nominee for President. Although she may have a well oiled campaign machine, she is still an unlikable person, and unlikable people do not generally win the presidency.

I agree. That is why I am hoping she holds it together long enough to take the nomination. She is the most unelectable democrat in the race. The only way the republicans can win in 2008 is if they face Hillary. Many "moderate" dems will sit on the sidelines.

25 posted on 11/20/2007 7:41:25 PM PST by outofstyle (My Ride's Here)
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clintons cheat.

28 posted on 11/20/2007 7:47:53 PM PST by bannie
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Barak Obama has recently pulled ahead of Clinton in two Iowa caucus polls, with opposing voters citing her lack of trustworthiness. Incredibly, Obama even outpolled Hillary among women in one recent Iowa poll

And, now, Oprah is on her way to Iowa to campaign for Obama. Look for his lead to widen.

Poor little John Edwards; nobody's sayin' anything about him these days. Bless his poor, little, hypocrite-smile and phony, heart. /s
32 posted on 11/20/2007 7:51:25 PM PST by no dems (Don't hate me and call me names because you can't reply to my posts intelligently.)
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RUSH: Now, I want to continue this Hillary analysis. She's in a real fight, and this was never part of the plan. The plan was to make it look like she was in a fight, to counter the inevitability, to show her as having strength, and force, and power, and commitment, and all that rot. But now she's really, really in a fight, and it didn't take a lot for it to happen. She's gotta big problem, folks, she is a bad candidate. Despite all this talk, the Drive-Bys on how disciplined she is, and how on-message she is, she's a bad candidate, and she's a bad candidate because she's not likable. She has a terrible delivery. She is a radical trying to conceal her radicalism, exactly as I told Martha MacCallum yesterday. She's trying to do everything she can to keep people from finding out what her real agenda is. That makes her appear like a flip-flopper and somebody who's unsure of herself à la this driver's licenses for illegals, and even that Las Vegas debate. The whole thing was a sop to Clinton. You have Carville, who works at CNN, Begala, who works at CNN, you have six Democrat operatives as question plants, while we're being told that they are undecided, independent voters and so forth. There were no hard questions from the moderators at all.

What Hillary is going for here is her party's apparatus. She wants to secure the power of the Democrat Party's apparatus and have that guarantee her the nomination rather than actually winning it in votes. She's gotta do both but the apparatus is who turns out votes for people. They're the ones who have the walking-around money. The apparatus is going to make sure that certain cauci caucis go to the cauci, you know, and caucus when they get to the cauci. She and her henchmen control the Democrat Party, Podesta's group, Media Matters for America, they control the party apparatus. Bill Clinton and Clinton, Inc. She's a poor candidate, despite the claim that she's disciplined and all that, and she knows she's a poor candidate. This is the dirty little secret, which is why she limits press contact. It's why she's raising a fortune for propaganda commercials so she doesn't have to do anything in person that actually reaches out and connects with people. (cont.)

"Inevitable" Hillary Takes Big Hit; Too Divisive, Too Many Negatives
37 posted on 11/20/2007 8:00:12 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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Hillary doesn't need "likeability." She has cornered the market on number of things that will give her the nomination, and quite possibly the presidency:

1. Media.
The fawning MSM will do everything to insure that she wins. (Remember how Dan Rather tried to prevent Bush from getting elected--twice.)

2. Cheating.
Why pander for votes the old-fashioned way when you can cheat? The Dems are experts at it and are going to pull out all stops this time around.

3. Third party candidates.
Expect the Dems to encourage this. Hillary can't win with a simple majority. It's much easier to siphon votes away from the competition.

4. Fear-mongering.
Expect them to employ this tactic to the max, just like in previous campaigns. It is really Hillary that people should and do fear, for good reason.

5. Mudslinging, Hypocrisy, Untouchability.
Hillary will play dirty politics, all the while insisting that she is not. If anyone calls her on it, or gives her a taste of her own medicine, she will play the victim card.

38 posted on 11/20/2007 8:01:17 PM PST by wai-ming
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Even her husband ain’t too fond of her. I mean look at some of the things he’s said. LOL


45 posted on 11/20/2007 8:22:15 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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I’ve never seen her as the nominee. To me, they HAVE to nominate an antiwar candidate. A real one. Unless Algore gets in, I think it’ll be Obama. Good news for the GOP.


47 posted on 11/20/2007 8:48:37 PM PST by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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I agree with the point that Hillary is very unlikable. And for that precise reason, I’ve told countless people that she will lose specifically BECAUSE she started her campaign much too early. 18 months of Hillary? Gag me with a spoon!


49 posted on 11/20/2007 9:00:50 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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