Posted on 11/19/2007 5:26:47 PM PST by MindBender26
A group of former network-level broadcasters, most of us of the Conservative bent, were sitting around in New York this weekend, conducting an intellectual discussion on want ails the Nation and the best remedies therefore . In other words, it was a bunch of reasonably educated, well-experienced grumpy old men sitting around having a bull session.
A former NBC Radio newscaster (one of the great Golden Throat voices of all times) brought up a write-piece (article for print, not air) he is doing for a major magazine. The subject was illegal immigration. In the research for this article he interviewed an economist.
Now please understand; in predicting what is going to happen in the future, economists have a track record that makes hurricane forecasters and horoscope writers look good by comparison. However, in looking back and describing why something has happened in the past, economists are excellent. In many ways, its sort of an academic extension of the old Follow the money, follow the crime truism.
The larger concept is that you can improve anything if you can first measure it. And to measure it, you first must be able to assign numbers to it. Its as if you say you want to raise the American standard of living a lot. How can you really measure to see if you have succeeded? A lot has different meanings to everyone. On the other hand, if one was to say I want to raise the American standard of living 20%, thats easy to measure, because we have assigned a specific number, the 20% increase, as our goal.
But, I digress.
The economist was interested in problem of illegal immigration and its impact on Americans, so he began to work his little spreadsheet ju ju and came up with an incredible but entirely valid conclusion. Illegal immigration is directly tied to generational welfare payments in the United States. Illegal immigration began to flourish when welfare became an expected way of life for some Americans. Its not just the parents getting welfare. Illegal immigration flourishes when children are raised in welfare homes, where having the government take care of you becomes a way of life. In fact, it becomes more than a way of life, welfare becomes an assumed entitlement.
Regarding illegal immigration, the immigrants do not come here for welfare. As we all know, they come here for jobs. These are the jobs we continually hear Americans wont take. And why wont Americans take these low paying and perhaps socially demeaning jobs? Because welfare pays them not to work!
For example, a landscape worker might make $10 to $14 an hour to bend over and lay sod all day. Thats hard work. For the Mexican or Guatemalan here illegally, that $14 an hour is a huge wage, and the work no harder that he is accustomed to at home.
But if an American welfare class young man takes that job, in reality, he is only getting paid about $4 an hour, not $14. Why? Because he receives the equivalent of $10 (or much more) for not working! When you add up all the welfare benefits of free healthcare (Medicaid) free food, free shelter and many other benefits, they are benefits a worker would have to pay at least $20,000 a year to receive, and $20,000 a year is $10 an hour.
Thank about it. The American taxpayer is paying people $10 an hour (and much more in some states) to not work!
Why get a job laying sod for $14 an hour, when the real benefit to the welfare class is $4 an hour. In some states with generous welfare programs, its even less. In California and New York, someone earning $14 an hour and giving up welfare to do so is losing money, between $3 and $12 an hour, not gaining real income at all! Not working in California pays $22 an hour!
So why would a welfare class person take that $14 an hour job? They dont, but those who cant get welfare (or at least not as much welfare) do. The real difference between American welfare class (non) workers and illegal immigrant workers is not the citizenship status. Its whether they have to work to eat.
The solution to the illegal immigration problem is very simple. In simple proven economic terms, stop welfare for healthy people capable of work, and you stop illegal immigration! If you make the jobs Americans wont take into jobs Americans take so they can eat, you have removed any reason for the illegals to come here. No jobs, no illegal immigration.
Everyone is talking about paying lots of money to design programs to catch employers hiring illlegals. The answer is much simpler. Stop paying Americans not to work and the illegal immigrants will stay home, south of the border.
That costs us nothing
and saves a lot of money on welfare payments!
The dimensions of the Hispanic baby boom are startling. The Hispanic birthrate is twice as high as that of the rest of the American population. That high fertility rate even more than unbounded levels of immigration will fuel the rapid Hispanic population boom in the coming decades.
By 2050, the Latino population will have tripled, the Census Bureau projects. One in four Americans will be Hispanic by midcentury, twice the current ratio.
It's the fertility surge among unwed Hispanics that should worry policymakers. Hispanic women have the highest unmarried birthrate in the country over three times that of whites and Asians, and nearly 1 ½ times that of black women, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Every 1,000 unmarried Hispanic women bore 92 children in 2003 (the latest year for which data exist), compared with 28 children for unmarried white women, 22 for unmarried Asian women, and 66 for unmarried black women.
Forty-five percent of all Hispanic births occur outside of marriage, compared with 24 percent for whites and 15 percent for Asians. Only the percentage for blacks 68 percent is higher. But the black population is not going to triple over the next few decades.
Out of wedlock births were declining among blacks, family units were stronger, then the libs destroyed this trend.
There is also something called personal accountability.
If we continue with our disastrous legal immigration policies, our fight against poverty and reducing welfare costs will be like shoveling sand against the tide.
Yeah, I agree with you there.
I’m a little bit “differently focused” on this thread though - I’m addressing the negative social incentives generated by the welfare system we have.
You have a different focus (probably more on focus with the topic of the thread), so I guess we’ll leave it where it is.
You would be so surprised.
Now tell me something I don’t know. ;)
I was merely conveying an anecdote. The fact remains, unemployment was pushing 20% in my parish. Despite that fact, farmers had to import immigrant labor to harvest because the lazies are being paid by the government to hang on the corner and drink 40s. Good paying work is available at harvest. No matter. It’s still “work” and I have seen with my own eyes that certain segments of the population just are NOT going to do it. They already have a source of income that does not require work.
This essay is about how those on the dole affect illegal immigration. My little anecdote is my experience with that first hand. That said, I have no evidence that any of these migrants were not here illegally. That’s not really the point, though. They point is about WHY they come.
In communities like where I’m from, farm owners are not going to stand idly by and let farms that have been in families for generations go unharvested because the local welfare recipients don’t want to work. In their vernacular, “It’ll mess up their check.”
1. Eliminate the minimum wage.
2. Eliminate all social services (even emergency medical) for anyone who is not in the country legally and able to prove it.
3. Eliminate all social services except education and emergency medical for anyone who is here legally but not a US citizen.
4. Institute and enforce a ban on knowingly hiring an illegal alien. A mandatory $5,000 fine, and 1 year in jail per offense.
Two months after these steps are adopted, you won’t have 1,000 illegal aliens in the whole country. they will deport themselves.
My thoughts are to stop coming up with grandiose plans and start by discrediting politicians and others who support illegal activity. That’s a fairly easy plan that would work very well and would solve many other problems.
1. Go to campaign appearances.
2. Ask real questions about this issue (not rants) designed to reveal the candidates are selling a lie.
3. Upload the response to Youtube.
If you can’t do that, encourage people in Iowa to do it by contacting local blogs, forums, etc.
Maybe she needs to learn to keep her legs closed!
“Maybe she needs to learn to keep her legs closed!”
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Really? Tell that to my face.
How do you get the graphic in the post? I’ve tried copying the direct link into an email, but all that goes in is the url. I’d like to have the graphic. Any suggestions?
Source please.
Lesson for the day:
I make my paycheck coding in the Linux kernel, working with others from China, India, Australia, Russia, France, Israel, Eastern Europe, South America, and heaven knows where else. I compete by being better; but as I prepare to live on less, my colleagues from poorer countries are looking forward to earning more. We both see an inevitable equalization in progress, of equal pay for equal value. I'm not complaining; actually, I'm having a blast working with some of the finest coders on the planet. But a business model that pays me five or ten times another coder of equal value cannot be sustained.
My services, coding, can be provided by anyone with the right skills, an Internet connection, and the ability to compose a broken-English email message (the "lingua Franca" of this line of work.) It is extremely independent of geography. But with the increasingly huge shipping tankers and ships, most manufactured or mined industrial goods are becoming almost as independent of geography.
There is an inevitable globalization in process.
This is the same sort of inevitability that my teenage son sees in the pricing of music, where the huge production costs of the business models of RIAA members just can't compete with the distributed pennies per song costs of peer-to-peer sharing of music.
Regulation is needed. But sometimes regulation is a rear guard action to protect business models being made obsolete by increasingly rapid changes in our business and technology.
Lesson #2 for the day:
There are some who see the world as black and white, with no shades of grey.
And there are others who see it as turd brown or barf green, with a putrid smell either way.
Lesson #3: Democrats will win elections because Democrats are falsely seen as sticking up for the small guy.
Globalization is as “inevitable” as orthodox slavery. Either stop it now, or fight a global war in the future.
The biggest overhead to business is labor.
Here is a list of countries the free-traitors are selling America down the drain to: (scroll down)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
China is just another country to sell American jobs to, #82. The lower you go, the bigger the profit.
Click on the embeded link in my post. This is a Heather McDonald story based on a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study released to the public.
Click on the embeded link in my post. This is a Heather McDonald story based on a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study released to the public.
Heres my standard post. We can do something about Illegal immigration.
RICO Citizen Recourse
Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, and can include nonprofit associations.
Heres what Ive been pushing: its time to file Racketeering, Influencing, and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) lawsuits.
RICO lawyers could turn it around in a few years and MAKE MONEY at the same time. Im surprised they havent done it already.
In the absence of enforcement, we can get the word out in the meantime that there is money to be made in filing RICO lawsuits against employers who hire illegal aliens.
Employers would have no trouble shutting down the border if they could get sued by someone under the RICO statutes for hiring these people in the first place. The next time an illegal alien kills someone in a drunk driving accident or somesuch thing, Im going to point out that the victims family might be able to seek compensation from the employer under these statutes in the hopes that it would catch on. If this did catch on, would see such a swift backlash against illegal immigration that no employer would go near these people and theyll all simply want to go back home.
IRS Reporting
REWARD FOR REPORTING EMPLOYERS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS
CALL THE IRS HOTLINE 1-800-829-0433 YOU MAY BE ENTITLED TO A REWARD
Call the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) hotline 1-800-829-0433 to report all
suspected employers of illegal aliens-you are not required to identify
yourself and may be entitled to a reward. The Application for Reward ( Form 211 http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f211.pdf)
can be downloaded from http://www.irs. gov or call 1-800-829-3676. The IRS does
not take kindly to employers that seek to evade taxes by paying cash for day
labor-this is a common practice at construction sites. Report the employer`s
license plate number and any other information you may have. Employers usually
cant run and take the hit in their wallets. Follow up with the IRS and ask
what action is being taken; if they refuse to cooperate, notify the press and
your elected officials. Do your part-spread the word-help make this
nationwide campaign a success!!!
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Hunter is the best candidate on Immigration.
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Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts
Posted on 11/15/2007 3:43:17 AM PST by Kevmo
Hunters criticism of Thompson over this issue is well aimed. We need someone in the white house who isnt a johnny-come-lately on this issue.
Road to Des Moines Conversions on Immigration (Hunter Press release)
News Which Cannot Lose ^ | 10/25/07 | Duncan Hunter/staff
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1916889/posts
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