Posted on 11/19/2007 10:09:26 AM PST by BnBlFlag
Death of Jefferson Davis Remembered - The Christmas of 1889 was a sad time in the South. By Calvin Johnson Jr. Staff Email Contact Editor Print
Jefferson Davis - AuthenticHistory.com December 6th, is the 118th anniversary of the death of a great American Hero---Jefferson Davis.
The "Politically Correct" would have you forget the past...But do not forget the history of the men and women who made the USA great.
Caution, this is a family friendly story to be shared.
The Sons of Confederate Veterans have declared 2008, the "Year of Jefferson Davis." Remembrance events will include the re-opening of "Beauvoir" on Jefferson Davis' 200th birthday---June 3, 2008. This was Davis' last home that was damaged by Hurricane Katrina. The Jefferson Davis Presidential Library and Museum will be rebuilt and re-open about two years after the house. Beauvoir is located on the beautiful Mississippi Gulf Coast. See more at: www.beauvoir.org
The New York Times reported the death of Jefferson Davis;
New Orleans, December 8, 1889---Quote "A careful tally of the visitors shows that about 40,000 persons, mostly women and children, viewed the remains today. This crowd included, in solemn and respectful attendance, all conditions of Whites, Blacks, ex-Confederates, ex-Federals, and even Indians and Chinamen." ---Unquote
Davis' Death was also the page 1 story in Dixie;
Excerpt: http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=204067&c=11
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Except for that oddly-colored one-third of the Southern population, or so Davis believed.
Actually, you’re right, I am thinking of Rawles’ book, I apologise.
That had nothing to do with chance. Lee was audacious; McClellen was slow to act when his men were not directly under his eye. As a small unit commander he was fine. Both men were engineers; so it amounted to differences in temperament.
But true.
‘(1) The South never had a chance at winning the war - the secession and the initiation of hostilities were two of the most colossally avoidable blunders in US history. ‘
Actually, I’d say they had numerous chances to win the war, but failed to capitalize on them, the last time being Chancellorsville.
Had Jackson’s flanking march been completed by noon of that day, rather than around 5:30PM its very likely the Army of the Potomac would have been as completely and utterly destroyed as any losing army in human history, trapped with a river at its back.
From there, a march on Washington DC and a seige, could have broken the political will of the President and his cabinet.
After Gettysburg two months later, however, yep no chance a’tall from that point.
Since that doesn't refer to Davis, you must be talking about George Washington.
IIRC, Davis, along with most of the other "gentrified" section of the Southern aristocracy, advocated for a gradual emancipation coupled with preparations to set up former slaves in occupations. I sometimes wonder if this might not have been better for African-Americans in the long run than to be suddenly freed, but thrown into an economic underclass because of no education, where you'd have to compete with poor, but somewhat educated, whites who would then resent your sudden intrusion into their economic sphere.
Regardless, even if the South HAD won, slavery would have ended by 1880, dying of natural causes.
Lincoln’s assertion was that the southern states had been taken over by illegal combines. Some substance to this claim in the border states, where there were substantial numbers of unionists.
He was never tried for treason because in the view of Chief Justice Chase, who would have presided over such a trial, the ratification of the 14th Amendment with the punative measures contained in Clause 3 meant that Davis had been punshed once for his actions in leading the rebellion. Trial, conviction, and additional punishment would have violated his 5th Amendment protections against double jeopardy.
I said nothing of ‘chance’ at all. McClellan made Lee look like a genius. If not for McClellan’s fear for his own well being (Lincoln accurately described the Army of the Potomac as McClellan’s personal bodyguard) and Alan Pinkerton’s absolutely, utterly insane (or worse, TREASONOUS) inflation of CSA army strength, the war should have ended no latter than 1862.
At Antietam, Pinkerton convinced McClellan he was facing 200,000 combat troops with Lee, when the actual number was less than 40,000...tops.
Same kind of bad intelligence was provided to McClellan during the previous campaign up the Peninsula.
The U.S. decision to halt exchanges was made because the confederacy refused to treat black Union POWs as captured soldiers and eligible for exchange. Instead, confederate law required that they be returned to slavery and their officers shot.
You mean their State legislatures?
Some substance to this claim in the border states, where there were substantial numbers of unionists.
I don't think so. It's called "democracy in action". The majority makes the rules. Even if there are "substantial numbers" supporting a position, if they don't make up the majority, then they don't win the day. This doesn't make the majority an "illegal combine", however.
“Well, you’re just doing the usual “the side that wins gets to pick the heroes” routine. I’d place Lee over Davis because he was the more gallant and competent figure, but this constant Confederacy bashing is wrong and it’ll someday backfire bigtime on the PC Cons (Politically Correct conservatives) who join with the radical lefties in trying to bury any positive memory of the South’s forces. The anti-Dixie crusade, launched about fifteen years ago by leftist senators led by Carole Moseley-Braun, is just a warm up for a future purge of the Founding Fathers.”
Irrelevant.
But true.
No, not in this context.
If you want to partake intelligently on topic, ping me.
If you want this crap, please don’t.
Thanks in advance.
Badeye
Sorry to deflate your balloon, Non, but he was not tried because no grounds were substantial enough to warrant a trial and the Union knew that.
He was not tried for treason because all hell would have broken out in the South. The North was sick and tired of war. That’s why they abandoned the cause of the southern blacks.
“Except for that oddly colored 1/3 of the Southern population”.
I don’t recall the White Northern population exactly clamoring for Equal Rights for Blacks. As far as that goes, most of the were even ambilivant about Slavery.
The Northern Soldiers (save for a few New England Abolitionists) were fighing to preserve the Union.
IIRC, Grant said that if he thought the War was about Slavery, he would resin and offer his sword to the other side.
Yea Jefferson Davis was quite an American Hero. I advise anyone with that view go to Gettysburg and view the place where 50,000 soldiers died needlessly because the Southern patrician class wanted to argue the Constitution and the Federal governments role all over again. Save us the revisionist history on the noble South and how they were just poor planters and tradesmen being pushed around by Washington. These esoterics have been argued for decades by academics. Davis was racist in the same vein as Hitler and Pol Pot. He advocated towards the end of the civil war a scorched earth policy which included masters killing their own slaves. Davis also knew of the deplorable conditions at places like Andersonville. He knew the war was lost in 1864 but still he sent boys off to war in hopeless battles using 19th century weapons with 17th century tactics. “Never has a worse war been fought for a more ignoble cause.” The historian Shelby Foote said. If I was ever in the neighborhood of Davis’ grave I’d be sure to urinate on it. What a petty, dumb, hateful little man he was.
No, the exahnge was stopped because the North’s biggest asset was manpower. Every confederate taken prison was a net deduction from southern manpower. Grant’s whole strategy was to attrite the enemy.
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