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Democrats unable to bring troops home (53-45 vote, Thanks to 4 RINOs for showing their colors)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 11/16/07 | Anne Flaherty - ap

Posted on 11/16/2007 7:47:27 PM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - Nearly a year after anti-war voters put them in power, congressional Democrats remain unable to pass legislation ordering troops home from Iraq.

Frustrated by Republican roadblocks, Democrats now plan to sit on President Bush's $196 billion request for war spending until next year — pushing the Pentagon toward an accounting nightmare and deepening their conflict with the White House on the war.

"We're going to continue to do the right thing for the American people by having limited accountability for the president and not a blank check," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.

Senate Republicans on Friday blocked a $50 billion bill by Democrats that would have paid for several months of combat but also would have ordered troop withdrawals from Iraq to begin within 30 days. The measure, narrowly passed this week by the House, also would have set a goal of ending combat in December 2008.

The 53-45 vote was seven votes short of the 60 needed to advance. It came minutes after the Senate rejected a Republican proposal to pay for the Iraq war with no strings attached.

Now, Democratic leaders say they won't send President Bush a war spending bill this year. They calculate the military has enough money to run through mid-February.

Responding to the congressional blockage, Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Friday signed a memo ordering the Army to begin planning for a series of expected cutbacks, including the layoffs of as many as 100,000 civilian employees and another 100,000 civilian contractors, starting as early as January, Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said.

"The memo reflects the urgency of the situation we find ourselves in — we are in a real crisis," Morrell said, noting that layoff notices to some civilian employees would have to be sent as early as mid-December. He decried Congress' refusal thus far to provide the money needed to continue fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, accusing lawmakers of "holding hostage the well-being of our men and women in uniform, and our national security."

The delay will satisfy a Democratic support base that is fiercely anti-war. But it also will give Republicans and the White House ample time to hammer Democrats for leaving for the holidays without funding the troops.

"We ought to get the troops the funding they need to finish the mission without restrictions and without a surrender date," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.

At the White House on Friday, deputy press secretary Tony Fratto said the spending gap is unjustified.

"We'd rather see the Department of Defense, the military planners and our troops focusing on military maneuvers rather than accounting maneuvers as they carry out their mission in the field," Fratto said.

Since taking the reins of Congress in January, Democrats have struggled to pass any significant anti-war legislation. Measures that passed along party lines in the House repeatedly sank in the Senate, where Democrats hold a much narrower majority and 60 votes are routinely needed to overcome procedural hurdles.

In May, Republicans agreed not to stand in the way of a $95 billion bill that would have set a timetable for troop withdrawals. Bush rejected the measure and Democrats lacked the two-thirds majority needed to override the veto, as Republicans anticipated.

Democrats eventually stripped the timetable from the bill and sent Bush the money without restrictions on force levels. The move was an unpopular one with many Democratic voters who say Congress should cut off money for the war.

As the year progressed, Democrats hoped for Republican defections. But a drop in violence this fall in Iraq helped to shore up GOP support for the war.

On Friday, only four Republicans joined Democrats in voting for the Iraq measure: Sens. Gordon Smith of Oregon, Olympia Snowe of Maine, Susan Collins of Maine and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska.

Sen. Christopher Dodd was the lone Democrat opposing it because he said it did not go far enough to end the war. Other Democrats, including Sen. Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, said they too opposed the bill as too soft but that they supported advancing debate.

"The only way to end the war is with a firm deadline that is enforceable through funding," said Dodd, D-Conn.

Democrats acknowledge recent progress made by the military in Iraq but contend the security will be short-lived unless the Iraqi government reaches a political settlement.

"We need to do more than say to the Iraqis that our patience has run out and that they need to seize the opportunity that has been given them," said Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich. "Their dawdling will only end when they have no choice."

Republicans on Friday tried to counter with an alternative proposal that would have paid $70 billion toward the war without restrictions. That measure failed by a vote of 45-53, falling 15 short of the 60 needed to advance.

Republicans said there were appalled by Sen. Chuck Schumer's comment, reported by The Associated Press on Thursday, that the Bush administration wouldn't get a "free lunch."

Schumer, D-N.Y., had told reporters that unless Bush accepted the restrictions, the Defense Department would have to eat into its core budget.

"The days of a free lunch are over," he said.

Republican National Committee Chairman Mike Duncan said Schumer's comments were "unbelievable," and Rep. Heather Wilson said the senator should apologize to the troops.

"Sen. Schumer only wants to fund pay, body armor and chow for the troops if he can put conditions on the money so that they cannot do the mission they have been ordered to do," said Wilson, R-N.M.

The Pentagon confirms the military will not run out of money until mid February, after which all Army bases would cease operations.

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AP Military Writer Robert Burns contributed to this report.


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To: NormsRevenge

Just out of curiousity, did you support the “Nuclear Option” a few months back?

For those who did , it seems a bit short-sighted given the new numbers.


41 posted on 11/17/2007 1:37:44 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Everyone wants a simple answer; but sometimes there isn't a simple answer)
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To: Cicero; NormsRevenge
If you do the numbers, the Dems won, 53-45.

No, they didn't win. The Pubbies won. This was a procedural vote for cloture (to cut off the debate). It takes 60 votes to invoke cloture. The Dems didn't get 60, so the debate continues. So, actually, nothing happened.

...the President will veto it.

He can't. It's not a bill. It's a proceedural vote to end the "filibuster."

42 posted on 11/17/2007 2:10:42 AM PST by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got Seven? [NRA Life Member])
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To: NormsRevenge

Snowe and Collins of Maine are members of the gang of 14...along with McCain and Gramnisty


43 posted on 11/17/2007 3:47:43 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: NormsRevenge
Democrats unable to bring troops home

More accurately:

Quislings fail to cut-off supply to troops

44 posted on 11/17/2007 3:57:11 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: NormsRevenge

Notice these people come from states terrorists don’t know how to spell let alone point to on a map. Terrorists won’t attack backwater places like where these punks come from so they can get away with shiite like this. The rat senators who come from actual target states are sick anti American scumbags, that’s their excuse so they vote like sick anti American scumbags. Liberman is usually the exception because (gasp!) he actually puts America over the rat party.
Next year we must elect GOPers with backbones.


45 posted on 11/17/2007 5:21:04 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: rmh47

OK, you clarify it. I’ll bet the leadership gave Snowe and Collins and maybe the other guys permission to vote for cloture, since their votes DIDN’T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. So they got permission to please their liberal bases, since for practical purposes it was only symbolic.

That’s how the leadership is supposed to handle the good RINOs. The bad RINOs are the ones who defy the leadership on key votes. Jim Jeffords. Lincoln Chaffee. Both happily gone.

It enrages normal Republicans, but it pleases the idiots who vote these guys into office.


46 posted on 11/17/2007 7:32:09 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

VERY well put! Bravo!


47 posted on 11/17/2007 9:55:34 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, November 15, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Christian4Bush

Thanks! Lieberman though has stood firm, nearly lost his seat in the Senate because of that, and since he was being purged anyway, purged the party from himself instead.


48 posted on 11/17/2007 9:58:18 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, November 15, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Why did not Joe Lie. oppose this? Isn’t he the Dem’sPub? As for the 4, you will never stop Collins and Snowe. Smith and Hagel are toast anyhow and unfortunately , the Pubs do not have real chances to supplant them in their office. Hagel is retiring, Smith will be retired. Two more Pub losses.


49 posted on 11/17/2007 11:04:19 AM PST by phillyfanatic
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To: Cicero

Then there are bitter lame duck types such as the senator from Nebraska.


50 posted on 11/17/2007 11:06:35 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: phillyfanatic

Check this link...In the 53-45 vote, Lieberman voted against cloture.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00411


51 posted on 11/17/2007 11:18:33 AM PST by Christian4Bush (DriveByMedia: Good news, no party affiliation: Republican. Bad news, no party affiliation: Democrat.)
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To: RobbyS

Yes, I agree. Frankly, I think Hagel is another Lincoln Chaffee. He will not be missed. I don’t have any sympathy for him. But if Collins or Snowe goes, they’re certain to be replaced by smelly Democrats.

Gordon Smith is in a position similar to Snowe and Collins. No way a real conservative can get elected in Oregon, and if he offends the base too often they’ll throw him out. So he needs to vote with the Dems almost all the time, EXCEPT when his vote really counts and the leadership tells him they need it.

It’s too bad, nobody should have to posture and act like a hypocrite, but as long as these RINOs from liberal states help out on the crucial votes, they’ve done their job as best it can be done.


52 posted on 11/17/2007 1:00:01 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NormsRevenge

Gordon Smith has to vote “left” or liberal Oregonians, some of the biggest promoters of big government in U.S. history, will “leave” him behind in 2008!


53 posted on 11/17/2007 2:48:17 PM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: Theodore R.

I guess OR’s turn to the left goes back to Mark O. Hatfield’s election as governor in 1958. He was hailed as the “Nelson Rockefeller of the West Coast”.


54 posted on 11/17/2007 2:51:11 PM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: Cicero

It is amazing how Portland, Salem, and Eugene can just dominate the whole state in election after election.


55 posted on 11/17/2007 2:52:06 PM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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