[SuziQ]

I believe the biggest problem of the older folks is that they are scared to death of being left to die in poverty. They look at the Democrats as the ones who CARED about them and set up the Social Security program. They don't want to be left bereft in their old age, and they can be manipulated to believe that ANY change to the program means just that. Many, sadly, can't depend on their kids, because their kids are pursuing their own American Dream, and the thinks the government should take care of their parents; after all, didn't they pay into Social Security their entire lives?

We and our children now have the opportunity to start saving for ourselves without big tax dis-incentives, and we'll be in much better economic circumstances than our parents and grand-parents.

[Zionist Conspirator]

What you say is all very true, but the point I'm making is that these are people who should be the most shocked and scandalized at what liberals and Democrats are promoting. Yet money cancels out all the outrage.

I am not advocating that anyone die alone and bereft (including old people with nothing and whose children can't or won't take care of them). I'm not taking an economic position at all. I'm dealing strictly with moral issues here.

On the other hand, one part of the Hegelian/Marxist doctrine of "history" is that it is teleological, and that any step backward, no matter how minute, will inevitably result in the reinstitution of slavery, monarchy, serfdom, and every other evil of history. By this twisted logic if the American League ever gets rid of the designated hitter rule, the slave cabins are just a matter of time. But I can imagine that Blacks, even the most Fundamentalist, when they consider what the "good old days" were like for their ancestors, might prefer the moral anarchy we have today (brought to us by the "same people" who gave us Social Security, Medicare, whatever) rather than risk the rollback going a bit too far.

It's a mess.