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New technique creates cheap, abundant hydrogen: report
AFP ^ | Nov 12, 2007

Posted on 11/12/2007 10:45:42 PM PST by Rick_Michael

CHICAGO (AFP) - US researchers have developed a method of producing hydrogen gas from biodegradable organic material, potentially providing an abundant source of this clean-burning fuel, according to a study released Monday.

The technology offers a way to cheaply and efficiently generate hydrogen gas from readily available and renewable biomass such as cellulose or glucose, and could be used for powering vehicles, making fertilizer and treating drinking water.

Numerous public transportation systems are moving toward hydrogen-powered engines as an alternative to gasoline, but most hydrogen today is generated from nonrenewable fossil fuels such as natural gas.

The method used by engineers at Pennsylvania State University however combines electron-generating bacteria and a small electrical charge in a microbial fuel cell to produce hydrogen gas.

Microbial fuel cells work through the action of bacteria which can pass electrons to an anode. The electrons flow from the anode through a wire to the cathode producing an electric current. In the process, the bacteria consume organic matter in the biomass material.

An external jolt of electricity helps generate hydrogen gas at the cathode.

In the past, the process, which is known as electrohydrogenesis, has had poor efficiency rates and low hydrogen yields.

But the researchers at Pennsylvania State University were able to get around these problems by chemically modifying elements of the reactor.

In laboratory experiments, their reactor generated hydrogen gas at nearly 99 percent of the theoretical maximum yield using aetic acid, a common dead-end product of glucose fermentation.

"This process produces 288 percent more energy in hydrogen than the electrical energy that is added in the process," said Bruce Logan, a professor of environmental engineering at Penn State.

The technology is economically viable now, which gives hydrogen an edge over another alternative biofuel which is grabbing more headlines, Logan said.

"The energy focus is currently on ethanol as a fuel, but economical ethanol from cellulose is 10 years down the road," said Logan.

"First you need to break cellulose down to sugars and then bacteria can convert them to ethanol."

One of the immediate applications for this technology is to supply the hydrogen that is used in fuel cell cars to generate the electricity that drives the motor, but it could also can be used to convert wood chips into hydrogen to be used as fertilizer.

The study appears in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: energy; globalwarming; hydrogen; pennstate
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To: Rick_Michael

This process produces 288 percent more energy in hydrogen than the electrical energy that is added in the process,


Cool! - Then use that added energy to turn a wheel which in turn generates electricity and we have a perpetual motion machine! Just damn!


41 posted on 11/13/2007 6:49:19 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Wonder Warthog

I didn’t say you couldn’t do it just not as well.

Natural gas compresses to a much more energy dense state making useful ammount much easier to store and goes through metal pipes without causing metal to become brittle.

Hydrogen in general is produced where it is used.

If you are looking at using biomass as a gassified fuel, it makes more sense to make methane, propane or butane.


42 posted on 11/13/2007 6:50:46 AM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
No, the article says that it produces 288% more energy than what was put in as electricity.

1 watt in and 1 watt out is 0% MORE energy.

1 watt in and 2 watts out is 100% MORE energy.

1 watt in and 3 watts out is 200% MORE energy.

Get it?

43 posted on 11/13/2007 6:54:29 AM PST by DB
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Wrong.

At least in this case...

The added energy is chemical energy from the acid that is consumed in the process. The process requires two energy sources to produce the resulting hydrogen, electricity and “aetic acid” (which is probably missing a ‘c’).

44 posted on 11/13/2007 7:00:41 AM PST by DB
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To: William Terrell
Or how about electricity hungry bacteria that eats it all?

;-)

45 posted on 11/13/2007 7:02:51 AM PST by DB
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To: DB

Darn.


46 posted on 11/13/2007 7:02:56 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: dangerdoc
"If you are looking at using biomass as a gassified fuel, it makes more sense to make methane, propane or butane."

Depends on the efficiency of the production process. I doubt that any gasifier reaches the levels of efficiency they quote (though those are likely to go down as the process is scaled up).

"Hydrogen in general is produced where it is used."

Gee, you need to tell Air Products that, they might want to switch from the thousands of cylinders of hydrogen they ship out on a daily basis. In METAL TANKS, no less. Gosh, I wonder why those tanks haven't "gone all brittle" and "lost their hydrogen", since the problems with hydrogen storage are so severe. Excuse the sarcasm, but I get really tired of seeing that bullshit trotted out on every thread about hydrogen. I'll say this one more time---at room temperature, these things are NOT A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM. At elevated temps, yes, but at ambient temps, the rates are so low that any significant effect would take decades, if not centuries, to show up.

47 posted on 11/13/2007 7:13:26 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: DB
So the key question becomes how abundant (and therefore inexpensive) is aetic acid (or what it is made from)?

Acetic acid -- the active ingredient in vinegar.

48 posted on 11/13/2007 7:17:41 AM PST by r9etb
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To: DB
Pity Ed Wood is gone.

49 posted on 11/13/2007 7:23:51 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
>You try clearing a field to grow corn, beans, potatoes, maize, or cotton with only axes and hoes ...<

It would make for a long day.

50 posted on 11/13/2007 8:20:35 AM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: Candor7

I’ve heard that you can’t control what direction the trip will be.


51 posted on 11/13/2007 8:21:45 AM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: Wonder Warthog

Bottled hydrogen in a very small part of the hydrogen market.

There is not enough energy in a bottle of hydrogen to be feasable for fuel use.

The hydrogen bottles are designed for hydrogen. Black pipe infrastructure is not.

Hydrogen has many disadvantages and only one advantage. If you believe that man made CO2 is causing global warming then hydrogen allows you to move the CO2 production from the tail pipe to a plant where you can capture it.

Your sarcasm was noted and ignored.


52 posted on 11/13/2007 9:38:44 AM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Uncledave

I haven’t read this article yet, but it might be suitable for the renewable energy ping list.


53 posted on 11/13/2007 9:39:06 AM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Rick_Michael

Efficient? Not at all. But as a means to get energy independence it won’t hurt anything but the budget.


54 posted on 11/13/2007 9:41:41 AM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

This process produces 288 percent more energy in hydrogen than the electrical energy that is added in the process,


Cool! - Then use that added energy to turn a wheel which in turn generates electricity and we have a perpetual motion machine! Just damn!

Just ignore the man shoveling sh!t into the system.


55 posted on 11/13/2007 10:00:21 AM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: DB

The aether.


56 posted on 11/13/2007 10:43:09 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Real Cynic No More

288% more ELECTRICITY than it consumes. The electricity used is just a catalyst to collect the hydrogen after bacteria have broken down the biomass.

It is almost meaningless to even mention the electricity used. It is like saying a gas furnace only uses X amount of electricity. While true, it says nothing about the gas burned to create the heat, only the electricity to run the fans to distribute the heat.


57 posted on 11/13/2007 12:05:38 PM PST by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: Candor7

vinegar.


58 posted on 11/13/2007 12:13:44 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: DB
You're confusing energy and power here. Power is a measure of energy produced/consumed per unit time. If you raise an object that weighs 550 lbs a distance of 1 foot, that is an expenditure of 550 ft-lbs of energy. To perform that task in a 1 second period requires 1 horsepower. If you spread the task out over 10 seconds with a reduction gear, the task requires only 1/10th horsepower. The amount of "work" done is nominally the same amount of energy. The amount of energy created per unit time hasn't improved.

Having distinguished the difference between power and energy, I pose the question: what kind of power can this new approach yield? Is it practically useful or just theoretically amusing? If generating 288% more energy takes 288% longer to accomplish, you haven't really made any progress.

59 posted on 11/13/2007 12:32:42 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Hunterite
More grand plans, theories, and futurism. I’m full, thanks.

With oil @ $100/bbl, you better get used to it. And there's nothing wrong with all the work going on for oil alternatives. Something viable may come out of it, and we'll all be better off, well, except for the nutjobs in the ME. They can drink their oil.

So let them explore, and study and come up with news things. It's the American way.

60 posted on 11/13/2007 12:44:27 PM PST by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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