[BillyBoy]

>> States should have the right to ban abortions, even the right to lock up 13 year old girls if a majority of voters believe that's the best way to enforce the law. But to make it a federal crime is to do what the leftists do: rule everyone in America from the on-high sanctuary of Washington DC. Fred's against that. So am I. <<

Ah, the ol' discredited Stephen Douglas wing of the GOP strikes again. I'm more in agreement with this quote:

" A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government CANNOT endure, permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become ALL one thing or ALL the other. Either the opponents of slavery, will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new -- North as well as South. Have we no tendency to the latter condition?"
-- Abraham Lincoln, 1858

Maybe we should abolish that bad ol' 13th amendment as affront to "federalist" principles. After all, what gave the federal government the right to tell EVERY state they had to respect human rights and basic dignity for all? If some state chooses to have laws treating human beings as lower than animals and disposable property, let 'em.

[samtheman]

Not one of you has an answer to this question:

Where is our intransigence getting us? How long do you want to hold out for “the best solution” while denying good solutions.

You are allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good.