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So Who's Afraid of an Iranian Bomb?
Townhall.com ^ | October 25, 2007 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 10/25/2007 5:07:25 AM PDT by Kaslin

At first glance, it would seem a straightforward thing to stop a relatively weak but volatile Iran from obtaining a nuclear bomb. It would also seem to be something a concerned world community would be actively working to do.

After all, the Sunni Arab states surrounding Iran don’t want a Shiite nuclear power on their borders.

Europe, which isn’t all that far from Tehran and lacks a missile-defense shield, certainly doesn’t want to be in range of Iran’s missiles.

Israel can’t tolerate an Iranian theocracy both promising to wipe it off the map and then brazenly obtaining the means to do so.

The Russians and the Chinese, both already concerned about India, Pakistan and North Korea, don’t need another rival Asian nuclear power on their borders.

And the United States, already worried about Iranian threats to Israel and involved in daily military battles in Iraq with pro-Iranian agents and terrorists armed with Iranian-imported weapons, doesn’t want a nuclear Iran expanding its Persian Gulf influence.

But in truth, most players don’t care enough to stop Iran from getting the bomb, or apparently don’t think it’s worth the effort and cost. Some may even see some advantages to a nuclear Iran.

The Arab Gulf monarchies, for example, know that their enormous dollar reserves would likely buy them some reprieve from a nuclear Iran, or at least bring in the U.S. Navy to offer them deterrence from attack.

Meanwhile, the current tension and ongoing fear of disruption in the Persian Gulf sends billions in windfall oil profits the Gulf states’ way.

Leaders of Arab states also have to fear their own populations’ reactions to any action taken against Islamic Iran. Despite his religious Shiite background, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is far more popular among Sunni populations in the Gulf than George Bush — and even perhaps more popular than the autocratic Arab thugs and dictators who run most of the Middle East.

The European Union, like the Arab states, believes as a last resort that its economic clout and deft diplomats can always work out some sort of arrangement with Tehran’s clerics, who, after all, need customers to buy their high-priced oil.

So most in Europe bristle at French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s warnings about an impending war to stop an Iranian bomb. Instead, they feel it’s an American problem to organize global containment of Iran.

Israel also has reason to fear a war with Iran. If Israel were to attack Tehran, it could find itself in three instantaneous wars — and be hit with thousands of missiles from the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria and Iran. That shower would make last year’s Hezbollah barrage seem like child’s play.

In Russia, Vladimir Putin’s foreign policy is nursed on grievances about a lost empire, America as the sole superpower and the independence of cocky former Soviet republics. In the thinking of oil-exporting Russia, anything that causes America to squirm and world oil prices to soar is a win/win situation. That’s why Russia supplies Iran with its reactor technology and stirs the nuclear pot.

China, like Russia, is a large nuclear power and doesn’t fear all that much Iranian missiles that it thinks are more likely to be pointed westward anyway. True, it would like calm in the Gulf to ensure safe oil supplies, but thinks it still could do business with a nuclear Iran.

And, as in the case of Russia, anything that bothers the United States can’t be all that bad for Beijing. While Ahmadinejad ties the U.S. down in the Middle East, China thinks it will have more of a free hand to expand its influence in the Pacific.

Then there’s the complacent situation here at home. After Afghanistan and Iraq, most Americans don’t feel we’re up to a third war. Some point to nuclear Pakistan and believe we could likewise live with Iran having the bomb.

A few on the left even feel that a nuclear Iran would remind us of our own limitations in imposing our will and influence abroad. They belittle the current warnings of George Bush and Dick Cheney about Iran’s nuclear program, shrugging that the two used to say similar things about Saddam and his nonexistent arsenal of weapons of mass destruction.

Meanwhile, much of the rest of the world, represented in the U.N.’s General Assembly, feels that a nuclear Iran offers comeuppance to a haughty United States, Israel and Europe without threatening anyone else.

Ahmadinejad may be viewed across the globe as a dangerous religious nut. But to many, he, like Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez, also represents an anti-capitalist, anti-globalization popular front against America and therefore shouldn’t be ostracized.

So who wants a nuclear Iran?

No one and everyone.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hanson; iran; nukes; vdh; victordavishanson

1 posted on 10/25/2007 5:07:26 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Man just keeps tying himself into more and more knots. Its going to be a great day when Christ sends forth his supernatural empowered army of believers to “untie mankind, and set the captive free”. Once “mission accomplished”, a united mankind, freed from the curse of their fallen sinful state, Christ takes His place as the capstone to run the global government the right way eternally.


2 posted on 10/25/2007 5:27:07 AM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Christ's Kingdom on Earth is the answer. What is your question?)
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To: Kaslin
This just in... Kent Brockman reporting--

Spokespersons for ABC, CBS and NBC... today all agreed to support Iran's peaceful use of Nuclear power.

Film... at 11!

3 posted on 10/25/2007 6:19:37 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Kaslin
I don't like this VDH article.

Probably means it's more truthful than I like.

VDH, as always, worth reading.
4 posted on 10/25/2007 6:55:47 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: Kaslin

The problem is we keep apply ‘rational thought’ to irrational people, like Imindamood4jihad in Tehran.

As this demonstrates.

Thinking you can ‘buy’ your survival from a lunatic religious fanatic is one of my definitions of insanity.


5 posted on 10/25/2007 7:07:30 AM PDT by Badeye ('Ron Paul joined 88 Democrats.....")
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To: Kaslin; neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; Alouette; ..


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6 posted on 10/25/2007 11:11:50 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Kaslin

I understand Russia’s position of fomenting as much instability in the Mideast oil belt as possibly, probably short of big war. Instability there equal higher oil prices, and without high oil prices Russia’s high grows of late would evaporate. So its good for them.

What I don’t understand is China’s position. They are oil importers and high oil prices hurt them. One would think they’d be interested in stability there and be our allies, at least in this aspect. Chinese have a long tradition of making careful, long reaching steps. What am I missing?


7 posted on 10/25/2007 11:20:22 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Kaslin
Israel also has reason to fear a war with Iran. If Israel were to attack Tehran, it could find itself in three instantaneous wars — and be hit with thousands of missiles from the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria and Iran. That shower would make last year’s Hezbollah barrage seem like child’s play.

I have to say that on this issue I disagree with VDH. While the above statement is true enough in the short run, it doesn't hold up longer term. NOT attacking Iran and letting them get a nuke pretty much guarantees that someday (probably not in the very distant future) Israel will be facing not merely a barrage of a few thousand missiles, but country-destroying nukes AND a barrage of a few thousand missiles.

Let's posit that Israel hits Iran, and Syria, Hezbollah, etc. hit it with thousands of conventional (and even some chemical) missile warheads. What happens? Israel hits ALL of them, with NO restraints. Massive population transfers occur out of Gaza into Egypt and out of the West Bank into Jordan. The PLO and Hamas either get largely wiped out or exiled far, far away. Lebanon and Hezbollah effectively cease to exist as functioning entities. Syria gets a "booster shot" from Israel on top of what Israel did to them in 1973, losing its armed forces and most of its critical infrastructure. Maybe we even see Israel make Isaiah's prophecy

"The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap."

reality. In short, Israel pays a very high price - probably tens of thousands of lives in the barrage and ensuing wars - but then has no enemies close by with any means of damaging it beyond blowing up the occasional bus or pizza shop. Israel rebuilds in a couple of years, and survives and prospers. No one attempts to mess with Israel for a long time.

Compare that with NOT hitting Iran, and one day most Israelis wake up to find that Tel Aviv or Haifa (or both) are now irradiated craters. Try rebuilding after that. Try rebuilding when, after the nuking the Syrians, Hezbollah, etc. STILL LAUNCH THEIR MISSILES. Why? Because then Israel is mortally wounded, then is the optimum time (maybe the only time) that the Arabs will have a chance to finish off Israel, murder hundreds of thousands of Jews and force the rest to Europe or the US.

Unlike Europe or the US or Russia or China, Israel CANNOT under ANY circumstances tolerate or allow Iran to have a nuke. That was the message of Israel's Sept. 6 airstrike on Syria. It is literally a matter of life and death for not only the nation, but for every single individual in Israel. No way and no how will Israel stand by while Iran gets the bomb...and the (hopefully hypothetical) election of Hillary will only accelerate the timing of an Israeli strike if something hasn't been done by that time.

8 posted on 10/25/2007 11:37:41 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: Tolik

It’s only money! The Chinese want to open Walmart stores in Iran to expand their market. Then they can make some of the money back that they are paying for oil.

It’s all about the world economy.


9 posted on 10/25/2007 11:44:28 AM PDT by wizr (A step in Faith will set you free.)
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To: Ancesthntr
I have to say that on this issue I disagree with VDH. While the above statement is true enough in the short run, it doesn't hold up longer term....

Very well thought out. Hitting Iran now would be the lesser of two evils.

10 posted on 10/25/2007 12:02:09 PM PDT by scan59 (Let consumers dictate market policies. Government just gets in the way.)
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To: Kaslin

Gordian knot, meet thermonuclear sword.

Put the fear of Dick Cheney in them.


11 posted on 10/25/2007 12:39:47 PM PDT by AZLiberty (President Fred -- I like the sound of it.)
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To: AZLiberty

Or an invite to to a nice hunting trip...

Hey, if it gives liberals the heebee-jeebees, don’t fix it...;-)


12 posted on 10/25/2007 1:38:06 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: Kaslin
Who's afraid of an Iranian bomb? Me, for one!
13 posted on 10/26/2007 1:26:04 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: George W. Bush

Sorry folks but it’s August 1914 again. It’s August of 1939 again. Everyone will watch and wait while events spin out of control. Again.


14 posted on 10/26/2007 1:41:35 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Tolik

Thanks for the ping.


15 posted on 10/27/2007 4:00:25 PM PDT by GOPJ (When it makes you mad -- "ping & grrrr" -- Freeper:pandoraou812)
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