Romney Surges in S.C., Florida

Dry Fly Politics ^ | 10/23/07 | Steve

[Reaganesque]

Tuesday, October 23rd, 2007...8:57 am

Romney Surges in S.C., Florida

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In vastly underreported election news, recent polls are showing a Romney surge in both South Carolina and Florida. Of course no one knows this because no one has mentioned it. We would all think that Romney was flopping around like a fish out of water in the Southern states according to some recent posts that have been written about each state. Of course, logic would tell us that Romney should not be doing well in either of these states: He is Mormon, Slick, and a NorEaster. Nevertheless, he is polling well and will likely be right in the thick of the races come January. Here are the recent polls:

South Carolina

Oct 02, Insider Advantage Poll: Thompson 21%, Romney and Giuliani 16%

Sep 26-29, ARG Poll: Romney 26%, Giuliani 23%, Thompson 10%

Sep 26-27, Rasmussen: Thompson 24%, Giuliani 20%, Romney 15%

Additionally, the Romney campaign performed an internal poll, here are the results:

Romney Internal Poll: Thompson: 24%, Romney 20%, Giuliani 15%

So, in South Carolina Romney is right in the thick of the fight. It appears that the recent condemnation of Giuliani by Christian Right leaders is having a detrimental effect and that the advertising that Romney has been airing over the last month is causing some movement. However, it should be noted that the same article that reported the Romney internal poll caveats the results by saying that this was before the Bob Jones endorsement. A separat poll says that 27% of South Carolinans are more likely to support Romney due to this, but 32% are less likely. It will be interesting to see what effect the evangelical endorsements will have.

In Florida, Romney also continues to surge, and Florida is arguably more important a victory for any of the candidates. Here are the recent polls:

Oct 1-8, Quinnipiac: Giuliani: 27%, Thompson 19%, Romney 17%

Oct. 2, Insider Advantage: Giuliani 29%, Thompson 19%, Romney 16%

Granted, these polls are nothing to get thrilled over as Giuliani has a sizeable lead. However, all previous polling had Romney hovering between 7% and 10% in Florida. So a 6-7 point jump in a month is significant and he is really the only one gaining steam in these states, whereas Giuliani and Thompson are plateauing.

It should also be mentioned that all the hubub about Huckabee or Thompson surging against Romney in Iowa should be somewhat muted by the most recent Iowa poll that gave Romney an impressive 14 point lead:

Oct 10-14, Strategic Vision Poll: Romney-27, Giuliani-13, Huckabee-12, Thompson-10.

I wonder if this will get the coverage that the poll placing Huckabee within 6 points will get. I doubt it.

All in all, while Romney has stalled in some places, so have all the candidates. The race is a real crap shoot, there is far from a difinitive front runner. However, it still looks to be a Giuliani-Romney finale.

[Elsie]

Acts 7:55-56

“55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God”.

Now, it says Stephen was full of the Holy Ghost when he saw the Father.

HUH???

The very verses YOU posted does NOT say that!!

It appears trhat you've INTERPRETED what 'thre right hand of God' means.

[Elsie]

Just how many times have you posted that?

Not nearly enough it seems.

It's STILL the postion of the "Only TRUE church"!

[colorcountry]

Speaking of “warts,” I suppose you noticed that John Doyle Lee thing in my Alice Prince branch.

When I began posting on FR I wasn’t a vocal post-mormon. I mentioned on a thread (about the phenomenal growth of the LDS Church) that I hadn’t been active in Church since the 1980’s, but was still counted as a “member.”

This caused quite the reaction from some Freepers. They called me a liar - said I was dishonest for not “removing” my membership - that I should not call myself Mormon - that I was obviously steeped in some serious sin - that I was a drunk.

Right there on that very thread I became the vocal “anti” Mormon that I am. It is the shunning, the ostracizing and the labeling — the hive mentality that I cannot abide. It is unChristian. Not one LDS poster was kind to me on that thread even though I tried to explain my long family history - my life in a 99% Mormon community - my Temple marriage - and early dedication to the Church.

Because I no longer believe, I am a bad person in the eyes of the LDS. You cannot believe the things that have been said about me personally. While I forgive these people, and understand that my words cause them pain - they have provided me with the impetus to write about my actual experiences - belief to disbelief - obedience to failure to salvation in Jesus Christ.

I would be wonderful if Mormonism could be discussed rationally. It always turns in to an attack the apostate colorcountry rant. You can see it on this thread.

Perhaps when Mormons can respect my choice, I will respect theirs.

You have been an exemplary poster. Thank you for your consideration.

[Elsie]

Attacking the things that a person feels is sacred makes it personal.

Boo HOO!

ANYthing negative that you don't want to hear is classified as an ATTACK by you folks.

[Elsie]

Attacking the things that a person feels is sacred makes it personal.

You FOUNDER sure didn't that your attitude!!

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http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself ^adelivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I ^bsaw two ^cPersonages, whose brightness and ^dglory defy all description, ^estanding above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My ^fBeloved ^gSon. Hear Him!

  18 My object in going to ^ainquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.

  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all ^awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those ^bprofessors were all ^ccorrupt; that: “they ^ddraw near to me with their lips, but their ^ehearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the ^fcommandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the ^gpower thereof.”

  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself ^alying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, ^bmother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” 

 

[Elsie]

I don’t make it a life mission to tear it down when I have something far better to replace it!

OOOoooh!

Seems like SOMEone is just a wee bit PRIDEFUL...

(/Church_Lady_Voice)

[colorcountry]

I thought he had interpreted what “glory of God” meant.

What does it mean when someone sees the Glory of God?

In the battle hymn of the Republic when the verse says;

“My eyes have seen the glory,
of the coming of the Lord”

Does that mean the author Julia Ward Howe actually saw God? If so, then she was a precursor to the LDS Church and its supposed “restoration” LOL

[Elsie]

You gotta wonder about people who say the Bible is perfect and complete and infallible, but need a creed to tell them what to believe and who to count as Christian.

Just like some need 13 Articles of Faith to lead them through all of the Scriptures that LDS members have.

http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,106-1-2-1,FF.html

(Oh... it ain't a creed though.)

[Utah Binger]

Hmmmm...We will be sailing from Copenhagen to Oslo on December 26. I think one of those Norwegian descendants of Odin will be meeting us for dinner in a little Kro just around the corner from the docks. I’ll say hello.

[Elsie]

You gotta wonder about people who say the Bible is perfect and complete and infallible, but need a creed to tell them what to believe and who to count as Christian.

 

 

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THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 76

 

A vision given to Joseph Smith the Prophet and Sidney Rigdon, at Hiram, Ohio, February 16, 1832. HC 1: 245–252. Prefacing his record of this vision the Prophet wrote: “Upon my return from Amherst conference, I resumed the translation of the Scriptures. From sundry revelations which had been received, it was apparent that many important points touching the salvation of man had been taken from the Bible, or lost before it was compiled. It appeared self-evident from what truths were left, that if God rewarded every one according to the deeds done in the body, the term ‘Heaven,’ as intended for the Saints’ eternal home, must include more kingdoms than one. Accordingly, while translating St. John’s Gospel, myself and Elder Rigdon saw the following vision.” It was after the Prophet had translated John 5: 29 that this vision was given.

 

 

 

[Elsie]

I'm sorry, but you've read something into the text that's not there. (If you don't believe me, go back and read the entire chapter of Joseph Smith - History) At no time does Smith identify the personage's words as God, the Father, Jesus Christ, etc. (It's not there). The only "clue" we have is that there were two unnamed "personages"--and that one identifies the other as his "son."

What!?

You must HATE us!

Can't you read between the Lines???

Just who ELSE would be saying, "This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!" if it WASN'T the 'father'???

--MormonDude(Sheesh! the audacity of those who'd think otherwise astounds me!)

[Elsie]

No; that dress doesn’t make you look fat.

[Elsie]

Claiming that verse says none have or can see the Father is not justified by the text, and contradicted by other events as you pointed out.

NOW who is having a hard time parsing English??

[Elsie]

Idol worship is idol worship, even if the idol is a legimate religous object. Consider the brasen serpent Moses made...

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http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Angel--MORONI.....Large-Size_W0QQitemZ140169778525QQcmdZViewItem

[Elsie]

You keep digging the hole deeper with your anti-mormon obsessions.

  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself ^alying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, ^bmother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” 

 

 

 

[MinorityRepublican]

Rudy and Mitt gives us the best chance to beat Hiliary! Conservatives will vote for Rudy because we have no other choice if it comes to that in the general election.

I like Fred Thompson but he has to show that he wants it first. Let's see that drive and ambition and if he shows it, the nomination is his.

Really, I can see any one of the above mentioned to win the nomination, it's almost like betting in the Kentucky Derby right now, IMHO.

[Elsie]

 

This seems to veered off topic of politics into a bigot religion bashing anothers doctrine so could you kindly move it to Religion forum please!

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself ^adelivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I ^bsaw two ^cPersonages, whose brightness and ^dglory defy all description, ^estanding above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My ^fBeloved ^gSon. Hear Him!

  18 My object in going to ^ainquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.

  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all ^awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those ^bprofessors were all ^ccorrupt; that: “they ^ddraw near to me with their lips, but their ^ehearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the ^fcommandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the ^gpower thereof.”

  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself ^alying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, ^bmother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” 

 

 

Oh Boo Hoo hoo......

[Elsie]

I admit I was misinformed about it.

Indeed!

I was very misinformed about a LOT of things before entering all of these, ahem, discussions.

Heck, I was even misinformed about what I believed!

[Elsie]

What did I say that brought that on?

Most anything can trigger a response...

[colorcountry]

Wow, Copenhagen?

Does that leave a ring in your pocket? j/k

We’re not related, are we Bing? I’d hate to be your kissin’ cousin. (....again j/k)

(for you who are looking for obvious signs that I sin - Bing and I are not having a “thing.” LOL)