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To: scarface367
"That’s nice, but what are you going to do to see your principles realized? The reality is that Giuliani, or any Republican candidate for that matter, actually has a chance to see the abortion status quo change via judicial appointments. Seeing Hillary elected and her liberal judicial appointments that follow would be a major setback to the pro-life cause. Which would you rather see; a chance at change, or no chance of change? I know what I would take."

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You are completely wasting your breath. Principles are not to be rationalized away.
You seem to have no concept of how people with principles operate.

I will live and die on principle. There are things that are worth fighting for, and worth dying over, and worth basing ones life upon. Live free or die, FMCDH etc. etc.

A few posts up you said that social conservatives are acting like children. I beg to differ. Being unmovable on principle even in the face of possible disaster of even death is hardly child like, but is in fact mature adult behavior.

What you are advocating, Christians doing the wrong thing for short term benefit, is exactly like a policy of appeasement.
Appeasing ones enemy accomplishes nothing but emboldens them and the end result is even more of the same.

Taking a hard stand early on and standing on ones principle is the only way to deal with ones enemies.
Even if the short term may hurt, it is well worth it in the long run for those brave enough with a cause worth fighting for.

238 posted on 10/24/2007 6:05:15 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Manic_Episode
Being unmovable on principle even in the face of possible disaster of even death is hardly child like, but is in fact mature adult behavior.

Being "unmovable" with principles, when doing so does far more harm than good in the long term for your cause is silly. If Hillary is elected, and she gets to pick two or three Supreme Court justices, how long do you think it will be before any meaning effort will be done to overturn Roe v. Wade. Without this, there is nothing the pro-life movement can do to overturn abortion.

If you were so concerned with your principle and would do anything to see it achieved, why has the pro-life movement done a piss poor job of winning hearts and minds. The tactics used thus far have done nothing but divide and chase aware the moderates on this issue. For example, in Denver recently during the Relay for Life, anti-abortion protesters held signs and yelled at the crowd as the relay began. It was embarrassing.

If I had not reasoned myself into the pro-life position on my own, and instead relied on what the pro-life movement puts across, there is no way I would ever have agreed with them.

If your principles are that important, do something to actually see them realized, not pointless sitting out of an election if your candidate doesn't make it. That accomplishes nothing.

243 posted on 10/24/2007 8:34:49 AM PDT by scarface367 (The problem is we have yet to find a cure for stupid)
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