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Thompson talks of daughter who died
Yahoo News / AP ^ | 10/22/2007 | LIBBY QUAID, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 10/22/2007 4:12:11 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

TAMPA, Fla. - Republican Fred Thompson sidestepped a question about the Terri Schiavo right-to-die case last month, saying he didn't remember the details. On Monday he said he's uncomfortable discussing it because of his own daughter's death.

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"And this will probably be the last time I ever address it."

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He added: "It should be decided by families. The federal government and the state government, too — except for the court system — ought to stay out of it, as far as I'm concerned."

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To: DelphiUser

Who is “we”? Cuz “we”, you, are wrong.


181 posted on 10/23/2007 12:31:43 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER & ?????????)
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To: shhrubbery!

Thank you for you excellent posts. Terri died for the euthanasia cultists and big mucky muck republicans in power stepped aside and let them do it.


182 posted on 10/23/2007 12:33:10 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER & ?????????)
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To: mountainbunny
Police? LOL LOL LOL The Sheriff's Office hired Michael Schiavo because Sheriff Rice was BEST PALS with Judge Greer. The police were totally covering up what happened the night Terri was attacked from behind since that day i February of 1990.

McDonalds fired Michael Schiavo but he works for the Sheriff.

His concubine's mother worked at the Sheriff's Dept. when Terri was pummeled. Jodi's mom is dead now from ovarian cancer.

This should be a Grisham novel it is so convuluted. Then people would understand what happened here.

183 posted on 10/23/2007 12:37:45 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER & ?????????)
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To: DelphiUser

Just make sure if you have a living will that you don’t check “no respirator” because if you have simply a temporary condition, you might end up six feet under. A Will to Live is a better document.


184 posted on 10/23/2007 12:39:26 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER & ?????????)
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To: vetsvette
“Pulling the plug” in accord with a living will is one thing, but cutting off food and water and watching the person die is quite another - most especially with no living will, just the word of an unfaithful husband with a financial interest in the death. Fred screwed up here.

I agree with you. This is going to hurt Fred with the conservative base.

I was leaning strongly toward Fred until he brushed off the Schiavo question a few weeks ago. That sounded like a waffle to me.

Now that he's "clarified" his position, I'm back to not knowing who to vote for!

McCain voted for the bill to allow families disputing over someone like Terri to take their suit to federal court-- but later he backpedaled and said maybe Congress had acted "too hastily."

Tancredo voted yes on the bill. Hunter wasn't present for the vote.

Anybody know where Mike Huckabee stands on the Terri Schiavo case?

185 posted on 10/23/2007 12:41:38 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (Max Boot: Joe Wilson has sold more whoppers than Burger King)
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To: Petronski
His hesitation to learn about Terri Schiavo or discuss her is a red flag. Then he brings up his daughter as a parallel to Terri's situation. Fred started this by not being forthright to begin with. An overdose is not the same thing as a purposeful, hell bent starvation/dehydration. They were hell bent on killing Terri and although she could have gone to judges chambers, her wheelchair was broken and Greer wouldn't allow her in his courtroom.

Then all the word would have seen that she clearly was no tomato.

186 posted on 10/23/2007 12:41:51 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER & ?????????)
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To: shhrubbery!

Huckabee has flip flopped but he has a Mexican consulate in Arkansas so he’s a “no” for me. He’s met with Vincente Fox in Mexico before. Due to his flip flop on Terri and his ties to Mexico, Huck’s out for me.


187 posted on 10/23/2007 12:44:21 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER & ?????????)
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To: floriduh voter
Then all the WORLD would have seen that she clearly was no tomato. (type fix).

She was kept inside for at least five years while the ruse was in place that she was already gone.

If anyone would have seen her, it would have blown all the great media propaganda.

Nurses who were friendly to Terri WERE FIRED. Hospice Woodside was forcing employees to take an oath to Hospice re: Terri or walk. Two employees walked, straight across the street to be interviewed by Sean Hannity.

188 posted on 10/23/2007 12:47:20 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER & ?????????)
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To: floriduh voter
So, let me get this straight: it was a vast conspiracy and in the entirety of the case, there was not one single:

honest doctor (required to report suspected abuse)

honest judge (who could have possibly required an investigation)

district attorney (who absolutely could have investigated)

nurse (required to report suspected abuse)

police officer (required to report and investigate suspected crimes)

social worker (al hospitals have them, and they are required to report suspected abuse)

Not one? Not a single one?

Just say it: there was a vast conspiracy to kill this woman.

A vast conspiracy of dozens of people, even though there are other people similar conditions in the same state and no one is trying to kill them. And without regard to the fact that her parents seem to have gotten along with her husband and didn't suspect him of abuse until things went sour.

And finally, what was an honest judge supposed to do? Does anyone suggest they should have made up the law to suit this case? I have yet to see any case anywhere, where in the absence of a competent spouse, the blood-relatives have been allowed to have standing equal to or above the spouse. Can anyone show a case like that?

189 posted on 10/23/2007 12:52:37 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: shhrubbery!; Bobbisox

I support Fred, but he didn’t get this one right.

The issue is not the same with Terri as it was with Betsey.
Terri’s parents and brother and sister would have cared for her and wanted her to live. Michael Schiavo could have turned her loose and let her parents care for her but he wanted her dead.

Dobson passed judgment on Fred without talking to Fred, and I thought that was wrong. Now Fred has done the same thing to the Schindler FAMILY. He was talking about the family making the decisions, but Terri’s family didn’t get that privilege like Fred did with his daughter.

Fred should talk to Terri’s parents. This is prolife just like abortion is, this is where the rubber meets the road.


190 posted on 10/23/2007 12:55:38 PM PDT by daylilly
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To: mountainbunny
The whistleblowers were fired. People were threatened with job loss. Terri was railroaded because the system would not be denied. You can step over public servants here claiming to be honest. Go ahead and believe there's no culture of death in Florida. They teach it at universities, they preach it in law schools, and politicians get their biggest donations from death cultists who look like regular people. They're not. George Soros is very much behind this death movement. Does that help at all? George Felos came to Florida to start his so called "social revolution". He says he can fly planes into buildings with his mind. You can believe constitution loving freepers or you can believe the new agers.

go to www.amazon.com and search for George Felos' book. He reminds us of Vincent Price in a b movie. Totally vile, creepy stuff - he wrote in his book that concentration camps were good for Jews. You wanna believe Mikey's lawyer or real people????

191 posted on 10/23/2007 1:04:08 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER & ?????????)
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To: mountainbunny
Oh, and the cop in Terri's room heard her try to say, "I want to live." She got the "I wah" out, the family and parents' lawyers were kicked out of the room, Terri's feeding tube opening was sewn shut and the cop said, "never happened."

Time and time again, Terri was neglected and abused. It can happen. It did happen.

192 posted on 10/23/2007 1:07:03 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER & ?????????)
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To: DelphiUser
I said at the time (Terri's time), I would have wanted someone to pull the plug long ago.

What plug, exactly? Schiavo wasn't on any life support.

193 posted on 10/23/2007 1:13:54 PM PDT by Sloth (Democrats and GOPers are to government what Jeffrey Dahmer and Michael Jackson are to babysitting)
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To: Petronski
I heard he once glared at a man who was talking too loud on a cell phone and made him crap in his pants...

As for a Fred’s daughter being a mercy killing, that is the stupidest thing I have heard in days on FR, and I have been cruising Ron Paul threads, so that is an accomplishment.

194 posted on 10/23/2007 1:21:24 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: floriduh voter
Who is “we”? Cuz “we”, you, are wrong.

Let me see, your tag line says you run a ping list on Terri, I wonder what your side on this will be, LOL.

Fine, I'm wrong, so are you. Happy?

I believe in this country, you have the right to be wrong. I also believe in this country you have the right to believe what you want.

I believe differently than you do because I have had experiences that are different than yours. I would not wish my experiences on you and would be willing to explore our differences.

However, the "You are wrong" statement leaves no room for understanding, just argument, and unreasoning argument at that. I am not interested in an unreasoning emotion based argument, have a nice life.
195 posted on 10/23/2007 1:25:09 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: floriduh voter
You write: You wanna believe Mikey's lawyer or real people????

I do not believe in vast conspiracies of the sort that would be required to pull this sort of thing off.

I believe the truth, whatever that happens to be. Always. Whether I like it or not.

I believe that the judge, regardless of who he was, was ultimately without power since he cannot create law out of nothing.

I believe that no case law exists that give parents power equal or superior to a competent spouse without prior agreement from the parties (example: I give my sister POA in writing)

I believe that if there had been a credible abuse issue, it would have been investigated.

I believe that her parents would not have cozied up to her husband if they suspected she had been abused. As a parent, I know I would not have. Ever.

Meanwhile, you have not answered my essential questions, so I will ask them one more time, in case you missed them:

What was any judge supposed to do? Where is the case law that allows a relative equal or superior rights to a competent spouse?

and

In the absence of those cases, are you saying that the judge should have made up the law to suit this case?

I do not believe in judges creating law where it did not previously exist, regardless of the worthiness of the cause. It is ultimately ruinous.

196 posted on 10/23/2007 1:33:43 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: nmh

Pulling the plug on someone who cannot even breathe for themselves and is brain dead is pretty different from starving a person to death. Terri was not on life supports, just food and water through a feeding tube.


197 posted on 10/23/2007 1:34:06 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Sloth
What plug, exactly? Schiavo wasn't on any life support.

It was my understanding, that she was not on life support for the last several years, but for the first few, she was. It's been a long time since I read up on the medical history, so I could be wrong.

Some people will never understand, but this seems to tell the story pretty well: Metallica - One

I don't typically get into Metallica, but this one touched me, for I have lived it and survived. While I was paralyzed, I could not even hold my breath, my body was breathing on it's own, I could not move my head and could speak only when my body decided to exhale. I hope none of you ever know that feeling.

Sometimes, keeping someone alive, is cruel and unusual punishment, even if they have to starve to death, it's what I would want, and yes, I'll take the chance that I might go "early".
198 posted on 10/23/2007 1:48:40 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Petronski

If your aunt had balls...she’d be your uncle.


199 posted on 10/23/2007 1:49:35 PM PDT by RockinRight (The Council on Illuminated Foreign Masons told me to watch you from my black helicopter.)
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To: floriduh voter
Oh, and the cop in Terri's room heard her try to say, "I want to live." She got the "I wah" out, the family and parents' lawyers were kicked out of the room, Terri's feeding tube opening was sewn shut and the cop said, "never happened."

I do not believe that she said anything to anyone, since her postmortem showed horrible deterioration to what remained of her brain. Further, I find it disgusting that there are these stories of her supposed abilities. From the postmortem, she was clearly in a devastated state that did not support speech.

Regardless of that, she either had inherent worth, or she did not. I say she did. She did not need to be able to speak to have inherent worth and be a valuable individual. I believe that all human life has inherent worth. With or without the ability to speak, I would not deny her worth. But I would not assign to her qualities she did not have to make her more sympathetic. I don't have to. She had value the way she was. I would not argue about her right to live.

I simply argue that judges cannot be in the business of making up laws where none existed before.

200 posted on 10/23/2007 1:52:14 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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