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I was part of a technological change for me this year. When I started playing World of Warcraft I realized I did something I had never done with any video game before. I never opened a box. I bought the game, I bought the expansion. Both are availabile in stores, both can come with boxes, DVD's, instructions etc.

I don't have any of the above. It was a pure digital transaction. No cash, no merchandise.

Now what really surprised me was this; Blizzard has written their own file sharing application for users downloading their games. The DL speed was very slow compared to a "dedicated" stream that I'm used to from Apple, Microsoft, Adobe or Macromedia when buying or DL'ing software. However it no doubt shared them a ton of bandwidth seeding computers with various pieces of the software and then having those computers finish off each other's downloads.

Now, how would that be "seen" by such a filter/program?

I'm file sharing, I'm uploading some, downloading more, I'm seen from a traffic standpoint to be using something like Bit Torrent. Yet what I'm doing is 100% legal, paid for and Blizzard's official method of digitally distributing their software.

I don't like this aspect of technology. I'm starting to believe in open net policy more than ever. This kind of stuff scares me just because more companies are moving to file sharing type distribution and I know it.

1 posted on 10/19/2007 8:15:43 AM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
How about blocking the pop-up that tells me that I've won a free Ipod or Xbox 360 if I just sign up for ten subscribtions to Vibe? I can do without that.
2 posted on 10/19/2007 8:18:18 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

It sounds like COMCAST is trying to squeeze more profit out of existing infrastructure, in a a growing demand market.

Eventually, that’s going to bite them in the ....


3 posted on 10/19/2007 8:20:39 AM PDT by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

The really annoying thing here is that many legitimate companies use .torrent files and the P2P technology to transfer legitimate large files. Take, for example, VMWare who allows downloads of many free Virtual Machines which can be run in VMWare’s virtualization products. They exclusively use .torrent files, requiring a Torrent client, which would now be filtered or otherwise screwed with by ComCast. I use uTorrent which has a few methods of getting around any ISP filters/etc. But I’m sure that ISPs like ComCast are looking at ways to screw with that. uTorrent lets you randomize the port you’re using (which can defeat some of the simplest ISP screwing) but, better yet, allows you to encrypt the incoming/outgoing data so that the ISP can’t tell what you’re doing because it can’t inspect the internal packets between the nodes. However, a smart ISP can put together some rulesets to detect and screw with that too. It’s not to hard to inspect the IP traffic and put together what’s going on.


4 posted on 10/19/2007 8:21:52 AM PDT by Spiff (<------ Mitt Romney Supporter (Don't tase me, bro!) Go Mitt! www.mittromney.com)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

File sharing of all kinds is getting huge and will be as big a revolution as the invention of television. If STUPID ISP’s (like Comcast) want to avoid government mandates and interference (Net Neutrality), then they’d better adopt a very open plan for their subscribers.

The geeks aren’t going to take it. You have been warned.


6 posted on 10/19/2007 8:29:46 AM PDT by agooga (Struggling every day to be worthy of their sacrifice.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

Never have so many people missed the point entirely.

1. I’m no friend of Comcast, and I can give you the phone number of my local Comcast sales people who will verify that I’m a pain in thier @#$%!!

2. Comcast has “X” amount of data capacity. Like most service providers, they provide more speed on the download side than the upload side — DSL does it almost all the time (”ADSL”). So, it would not surprise me that uploads take longer than downloads.

3. Comcast knows that the vast majority of upload traffic is “junk” or outright illegal — music sharing, zombie’d computers, spammers, porno webcam operators, etc. In fact, any network admin with any training can monitor traffic an tell you exactly how much is being used, and by whom, and for what purpose.

4. A slower upload for Comcast still beats the “full speed” upload for most DSL, and even for most T1 lines.

5. This article is nothing but a shill for the “net neutrality act” legislation. On one side, you have people wanting to pass laws to make us free at the expense of the freedom of the ISP. I suppose that in some places there is only one high-speed ISP, but for the most part, if you can get one you can get many. If I don’t like my ISP, I can simply change — isn’t that the conservative thing to do?


8 posted on 10/19/2007 8:39:57 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

pinging


10 posted on 10/19/2007 8:54:29 AM PDT by Amalie (FREEDOM had NEVER been another word for nothing left to lose...)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

I’m going to explain the basic technological methods that are used. First you need to understand that ALL internet traffic done with packets of data. Each packet of data contains 4 major chunks of data. 1) The data itself, 2) A source address, 3) A destination address, and 4) (And this is the big one) a PORT number.

Within the internet - PORT numbers are associated with service types. So if you are using HTTP - this would be port 80 as an example. BitTorrent and other such technologies have a common PORT number - so all the filtering technology needs to do is limit the number of packets of a particular PORT number that it chooses to pass.

That is how you can selectively affect one service and not another.


13 posted on 10/19/2007 9:20:32 AM PDT by fremont_steve (Milpitas - a great place to be FROM!)
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To: Nightshift

ping...


16 posted on 10/19/2007 9:40:43 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
Comcast's interference... appears to be an aggressive way of managing its network to keep file-sharing traffic from swallowing too much bandwidth and affecting the Internet speeds of other subscribers.

So rather than spend the money to upgrade their bandwidth, they cut the services?

26 posted on 10/19/2007 9:59:52 AM PDT by zeebee
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To: ShadowAce
Comcast Corp. actively interferes with attempts by some of its high-speed Internet subscribers to share files online, a move that runs counter to the tradition of treating all types of Net traffic equally. The interference, which The Associated Press confirmed through nationwide tests, is the most drastic example yet of data discrimination by a U.S. Internet service provider. It involves company computers masquerading as those of its users.

PING

33 posted on 10/19/2007 11:16:10 AM PDT by SubGeniusX (The People have UNENUMERATED RIGHTS ... the Govt. does NOT have UNENUMERATED POWERS)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
I unplugged Comcast a two weeks ago and went with DSL & Dish network.

So far, so good and from what I can tell, the DSL is just as fast as the cable modem. I guess only time will tell if it's down as often as Comcast was, which was often.

34 posted on 10/19/2007 11:21:34 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

bttt


38 posted on 10/19/2007 11:55:38 AM PDT by dennisw (France needs a new kind of immigrant — one who is "selected, not endured" - Nicholas Sarkozy)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

Is Verizon’s FIOS fiber optic system a way to avoid the kind of bandwidth-throttling Comcast has implemented?


42 posted on 10/19/2007 12:02:07 PM PDT by Poundstone
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46 posted on 10/19/2007 1:02:57 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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