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MLB League Series Daily Thread-Oct. 17 (Rockies are NL Champs, Tribe up over Sox, 3 games to 1)
ESPN.com ^ | 10/17/07 | ESPN

Posted on 10/17/2007 9:26:45 AM PDT by randita

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To: colorado tanker

If by regularly you mean annually to bi-annually yes.

If it isn’t the canadian soldiers it’s the midges.

It’s different species depending on the time of year. None of them last more than a few days to a week but when they’re out they’re out in the hundreds of thousands.


21 posted on 10/17/2007 10:28:42 AM PDT by Anonymous Rex ( For Rent)
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To: discostu

You don’t think the networks would be allowed to make book?


22 posted on 10/17/2007 10:32:34 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: Lazarus Longer
The Rockies have put together a young, unselfish bunch. Most of them came up together in the farm system. Helton sets the example as a classy, team guy. They really are fun to watch.
23 posted on 10/17/2007 10:32:50 AM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: eastsider
...the Indians used to have a gnat problem in their old stadium,

But nobody was there to notice.

24 posted on 10/17/2007 10:36:54 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: CA_soon_gone
This just on the local news, Rockies World Series tix will only be sold online.
25 posted on 10/17/2007 10:37:28 AM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Lazarus Longer
... unparalleled defense, and tons of heart and drive.
They've got heart a mile high!
26 posted on 10/17/2007 10:40:22 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: eastsider

Probably not, the leagues themselves would forbid it in the contracts. Letting anyone that has a vested interest in the games occurring have a vested interest in the games’ outcome is hazardous, if only for the image problem. It’s especially big in the NFL with instant replay that comes from the network being used to make decisions (oops we don’t know what happened to the angle that definitively showed the TD catch that would have put the team over the Vegas line and cost the network a bunch of money was good, it just disappeared), but even in the other sports. Leagues would lose a lot of moral authority not allowing the players, coaches, refs and other team and league employees gamble but allowing the networks to make book some of that book of course paying for the broadcast contracts to the leagues. Nope that kind of dirty handing would just not fly, even if it became legal it would be a PR disaster of epic proportions waiting to happen, there’s already a crowd in every sport that claims games are fixed by the league, that crowd would gain a lot of traction of the league’s started making money (via broadcast contracts) from gambling.


27 posted on 10/17/2007 10:43:03 AM PDT by discostu (a mountain is something you don't want to %^&* with)
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To: colorado tanker
They play inspired baseball. ...as you said, very fun to watch. I'm rooting for them almost as enthusiastically as I root for my own team (which incidentally has now lost three straight ALDSs in very uninspired fashion).

Winning 21 of 22 (or is it now 22 of 23?) is of course amazing, but the stat that caught my eye is that the '07 Rockies have the highest fielding % in the entire history of MLB. I'm a big fan of great D.

28 posted on 10/17/2007 10:46:17 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo (My other Telecaster is a Thinline)
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To: Lazarus Longer
The Rockies defense is awesome. One of my best memories of the season was early on Tulowitski, the Rookie of the Year candidate, made an unassisted triple play. Most ballplayers don't get to do that in a whole career!

The greatest weakness is starting pitching. Because of injuries, only two of the opening day starters are in the lineup, although Cook might return for the Series. The Rockies lucked out in promoting a couple of young phenoms early and the middle relievers have really stepped up.

People are worried about the team cooling off due to the long break, but actually the big bats were cool in the NLDS and NLCS series. I'm hoping they can use the break to work on mechanics and practice enough to play like they did in August and September.

I've wondered if any of the NLDS teams this year would be able to play with the AL champ. I never dreamed in early September the Rockies would be the team to find out!

29 posted on 10/17/2007 11:03:24 AM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: colorado tanker

Thanks, they must have just updated the website and I hadn’t seen it. Guess I’ll play the keyboard lottery on Monday.

Steve


30 posted on 10/17/2007 11:04:32 AM PDT by CA_soon_gone
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To: colorado tanker

“The Rockies have put together a young, unselfish bunch.”

unless it means pulling in a tarp in a rainstorm that threatens the lives of its grounds crew. good thing the visiting team decided to save the day while the rockies sat on their worthless *sses.


31 posted on 10/17/2007 11:07:48 AM PDT by philsfan24
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To: discostu
Heck, every casino in the world has a vested interest in the outcome of every table on their floors, yet they're allowed to make book. The casinos don't stay in business and keep adding new wings because of their games' outcomes, they do so because of odds and vig.

Allowing the networks to make book on games they broadcast would be no different -- with a 10% vig and with lines set so as to make a bet on either team equally attractive, sports books make money regardless of the scores.

32 posted on 10/17/2007 11:11:49 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: ErnBatavia

I thought that as well... the nets had to be pulling for some major market teams.


33 posted on 10/17/2007 11:12:35 AM PDT by Goodness
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To: philsfan24
A little bitter are we??? LOL!
34 posted on 10/17/2007 11:16:46 AM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: colorado tanker

about the gnats..
it happens. its not often or liked, but it happens.. especially when there is a warm stretch in october.

btw, for those not familiar with that part of the country, a week or so of warm weather in october is called INDIAN summer. not joking, just emphasizing the INDIAN part.

I should say I grew up about 40 miles south of Sandusky OH and lived in Sandusky for 2 years. (Sandusky is on the shores of Lake Erie like Cleveland.) Haven’t personally seen it as bad as the bug ball game.

Go Tribe!!!


35 posted on 10/17/2007 11:51:56 AM PDT by rebootd
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To: Hemorrhage
Interesting.

It's pitching, the Yankees have horrible pitching. Even Rivera, once brilliant, is routinely hit now.

36 posted on 10/17/2007 11:54:57 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: WellThoughtOut
P.C. or not, I agree the term is Indian Summer. We usually have wonderful I.S. weather until right around Halloween. People even make jokes about "Halloween weather." Of course, anything can happen. Last year we got a significant snow earlier in October before the leaves were off and I lost some tree limbs. With the extended schedule MLB put in this year, the Series games could be touch and go.

Your Tribe is looking pretty good right now! I don't see this Boston club as being able to come back three in a row.

But . . . . It's Rocktober! Go Rockies!

37 posted on 10/17/2007 12:04:55 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: 1Old Pro

>> It’s pitching, the Yankees have horrible pitching. Even Rivera, once brilliant, is routinely hit now.

Some of it is pitching ... some is youth. Most of the reason the Yankees even MADE the playoffs was because of inspired play by Chamberlain, Cabrera and some of their other young players.

The Rockies, Indians and Diamondbacks are very youth-heavy ... Matt Holliday, Jeff Francis, Willy Taveras, Eric Byrnes, Chris Young, Troy Tuliwitski, Grady Sizemore. The Yankees spend a LOT of money on older talent - Abreu, Pettitte, Clemens, Rivera, A-Rod, Mussina ... rather than developing young, and inexpensive, talent.

Teams are generally better off if they have a balance between youth and experience ... have a couple of solid talented veterans, and plenty of inexpensive youth to learn from the vets. The Brewers have no experience, all youth. The Yankees have no youth, all experience.

H


38 posted on 10/17/2007 12:15:11 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: eastsider

Most states that allow any level of gambling, even res gambling, have strict laws about house payout. And anybody that sticks money in a slot machine (the most easily rigged form of gambling) that isn’t regulated is a moron, of course we all know that nobody ever went broke under estimating the intelligence of the average person. And actually the casinos DO make their money based on the games’ outcomes, every single game in every casino favors the house. There’s no vig for legal lines of credit, vig is a loan shark term. nd the reality is the brad and butter of casinos is people that never take out lines of credit, all you’ve got to do is compare the size of the high roller area to the rest, casinos keep needing to expand because there’s a ridiculous of money to be made from low end ma and pa on the vacation gamblers, you just need to get them in volume. Whales are the gravy train, the bills get paid by $5 betters.

Allowing the networks to make book would be VERY different than casinos. For one thing the line isn’t a sure thing, yes it’s an ATTEMPT to make both teams equally attractive but it doesn’t always work out that way, this is why sports books (legal and otherwise) layoff bets, it’s easy to get over exposed.

But really absolutely NONE of that matters in the slightest. Here’s what ACTUALLY matters:
no league wants to have direct contact with ANYBODY involved with ANY level of gambling
so therefore no league would allow ANY broadcaster ANY involvement in gambling, especially not actually making book

It just won’t happen, ever. Legal or not, no league would do it. Look at the stink that’s come up from the ref scandal in the NBA. Networks making book WILL result in the same kind of problem, maybe not immediately, but it will happen. There’s a reason no league has a team in Vegas (the NBA flirted with he idea but the ref scandal made them flee from it) or Atlantic City. That exact same reason is why no league would get involved with a network making book. They cannot afford the image problem, the baggage is more than the payout could ever hope to be.


39 posted on 10/17/2007 12:38:16 PM PDT by discostu (a mountain is something you don't want to %^&* with)
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To: discostu
And actually the casinos DO make their money based on the games’ outcomes, every single game in every casino favors the house.
Not because of the outcome, but because of the vig. For example, the odds in baccarat favor a bank-hand outcome; to make up for it, the house charges a 5% commission on winning bank bets, for a whopping 1.17% vig on bank bets. (Great bet for the casual gambler.) There's also Pai Gow Poker, certain bets in craps ...

Never say never : )

40 posted on 10/17/2007 2:26:20 PM PDT by eastsider
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