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Schwarzenegger gets tough on California's guns
The Telegraph ^ | 10/16/07 | Catherine Elsworth

Posted on 10/16/2007 6:13:35 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

Arnold Schwarzenegger has angered America's powerful gun lobby by backing legislation requiring semi-automatic handguns to mark bullets with serial numbers to help police identify casings found at crime scenes.

The former Hollywood action hero, who played trigger-happy characters in violent films such as The Terminator, approved the crime-fighting technology despite opposition from the National Rifle Association, which said it could be used to implicate the innocent.

The law, the first of its kind in the US, will require all semi-automatic guns made or sold in California to "microstamp" every bullet fired with the weapon's make, model and serial number.

America's most populous state, parts of which are plagued by gang violence and lead the nation in drive-by shootings, already has some of its toughest gun laws.

The Republican governor, who has broken with his party on issues such as gun control, the environment and stem cell research, has backed previous landmark measures such as a 2004 ban on a particular type of machine gun.

Gun makers and sellers have until 2010 to comply with the Crime Gun Identification Act. The measure was supported by the California Police Chiefs Association, which said it would help them trace the guns used in crimes and connect offences where the same weapon was used.

According to the Brady campaign against gun violence, no arrests are made in nearly half of killings in California because police lack evidence to identify suspects. The group claimed the law "set a new national standard".

Opponents, however, argued that the technology was unreliable, and could be tampered with or used to mislead police. They suggested criminals could sprinkle bullets from another weapon at a crime scene.

The governor, who last week discussed issues including gangs and gun crime with the Tory leader David Cameron, also backed a law banning lead ammunition in certain areas of the state where lead bullets are believed to be poisoning endangered condors.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab1471; ab821; banglist; bradywatch; callegislation; microstamp; microstamping; schwarzenegger
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To: dblshot
Arnold Schwarzenegger has angered America's powerful gun lobby by backing legislation requiring semi-automatic handguns to mark bullets with serial numbers to help police identify casings found at crime scenes.

Arnold Schwarzenegger = Super Genius!

Smart criminals choose revolvers!

Good job arnie, you idiot.

41 posted on 10/16/2007 8:54:58 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: bruinbirdman
No need to mod the guns. Just use a shell catcher. Basically a bag with holes in it.


42 posted on 10/16/2007 8:55:37 PM PDT by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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To: bruinbirdman

Golly gee willikers, I wonder why Arnold wasn’t invited to speak at CPAC.

The only way he will get into the GOP convention next year is with a ticket.


43 posted on 10/16/2007 8:56:57 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: FixedandDilated
There's nothing like reading the DOJ regulations to get the blood pressure up. =o)

I think I said they banned the bullet in a previous post, I meant to say they banned any gun that shoots the bullet. So in a way, it's like banning the use of the bullet. Unlike the AK’s or AR's for example, which they specifically banned.

44 posted on 10/16/2007 8:58:59 PM PDT by chaos_5 (Fred & Hunter '08)
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To: chaos_5

The bullet isn’t banned. People who already owned the .50 BMG rifles had to register them if they wanted to keep them legally. Yeah, it gets the blood pressure up.


45 posted on 10/16/2007 9:00:32 PM PDT by FixedandDilated
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To: FixedandDilated

Yeah, I know a few people who are grandfathered in. It’s such a stupid ban.


46 posted on 10/16/2007 9:03:30 PM PDT by chaos_5 (Fred & Hunter '08)
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To: chaos_5

I almost bought one before the ban took effect, but decided it would be a waste of money. It would just sit in the safe.


47 posted on 10/16/2007 9:04:41 PM PDT by FixedandDilated
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To: bruinbirdman

I remember a poster here named “FairOpinion” (now gone) who was a ridiculously irrational defender of Schwarzenegger. When true freepers complained about the liberal Arnold, he/she/it would often reply with something along the lines of, “Well, here’s a list of all the crazy Democrat things that Gray Davis or Cruz Bustamante WOULD HAVE signed into law: (list of crazy Democrat things)”

Well, Arnold has been signing all those crazy Democrat things into law, one by one.


48 posted on 10/16/2007 9:06:39 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: chaos_5
Why do I find this in The Telegraph? Its also in Angus Reid Global Monitor-Canada paper, Huffington post, India (Reuters), CBS-CA, Associated Content, CO.

yitbos

49 posted on 10/16/2007 9:18:36 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: FixedandDilated

Yes but even reading about a .50 BMG shooting match is exciting much less owning one and getting into one of those matches....um...it’s one of those ‘if only’ kind of things...


50 posted on 10/16/2007 9:25:51 PM PDT by billmor (Help Me Rhonda !!)
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To: bruinbirdman
"a law banning lead ammunition in certain areas of the state where lead bullets are believed to be poisoning endangered condors."

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are the birds being shot, or is the existence of lead ammo killing them off? Dear God, the politicians in CA are as dammed dumb as a box of hammers.

51 posted on 10/16/2007 9:39:30 PM PDT by KoRn (Just Say NO ....To Liberal Republicans - FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: telebob

Thanks for posting that link. I know a few folks who are irate about this ridiculous excuse for a law.

Passing it on.


52 posted on 10/16/2007 9:53:59 PM PDT by Califreak (Duncan Hunter-no clothespin necessary!)
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To: edcoil

No. The law says that the gun must contain the markings inside so that when unmarked ammo is fired and ejected it is marked with a number traceable to the gun which fired it. Still a stupid idea though.


53 posted on 10/16/2007 10:05:12 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: going hot

No doubt LEO guns are exempt. At least that’s the way government usually writes “laws”.


54 posted on 10/16/2007 10:07:25 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: going hot
“Ok, every time I go to the range, I will collect a few casings, and distribute them out the window when I go downtown to high crime areas.

Ought to get their collective panties in a bunch. Especially If I gather the spent cases from the LEO’s that come out on wednesdays to practice (lol)”

You may have a point. I read the bill AB1471. It does not specifically exempt LEO’s so they will be required to comply. I suspect that this oversight will be corrected but in the short term it should provide some amusement :~)

55 posted on 10/16/2007 11:00:28 PM PDT by Polynikes (Hey. I got a question. How are you planning to get back down that hill?)
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To: hawkboy
“I hope the firearms mfrs. follow Barrett’s lead and refuse to sell to California LE agencies.”

The law of unintended consequences. No semi-autos sold in CA to LE agencies but if you want a revolver officer that will be ok. I am sure MS13 and the Bloods/Crips will accommodate and step down their firepower. /sarc off

56 posted on 10/16/2007 11:09:58 PM PDT by Polynikes (Hey. I got a question. How are you planning to get back down that hill?)
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To: dblshot

Guess what - data indicates that the gangs can outshoot the cops. Cops go to the range once every 6 months or so (often reluctantly) and go through a box of 50. Since gangs don’t have as much paperwork to fill out, they can go shooting most any day they want to.


57 posted on 10/17/2007 4:43:37 AM PDT by zimmerking
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To: bruinbirdman

Where does Maria keep his testicles jar?

Or did they atrophy, whither and fall off from all of the steroids?


58 posted on 10/17/2007 4:50:10 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: KoRn; Joe Brower
Here's how to ban lead in bullets in Cali. Since hunters shoot animals and sometimes don't find them, condors might ingest the lead bullets in the carrion and get sick. I kid you not, that is how you ban lead bullets in Cali.

I'm glad I moved from SoCal to north FL.


59 posted on 10/17/2007 4:53:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: SoldierDad

The plan is to etch the serial number on the firing pin, “stamping” the primer when fired.


60 posted on 10/17/2007 6:57:06 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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