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To: neverdem

Would Donny Deutch and Michael Savage and all of the other critics who are blasting Coulter rather live in a Muslim country?
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no, we’d rather live in an American country...one that just leaves Jews and members of all peaceful faiths alone without trying to insinuate that one faith is ‘perfect’ and the other is ‘imperfect.’


3 posted on 10/13/2007 7:41:42 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: ari-freedom

Since what Ann said has Biblical basis, what would you do about the Bible?


14 posted on 10/13/2007 8:06:27 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: ari-freedom
no, we’d rather live in an American country...one that just leaves Jews and members of all peaceful faiths alone without trying to insinuate that one faith is ‘perfect’ and the other is ‘imperfect.’

Nobody is trying to make you believe what is not natural for you to believe and it is a bigger insult to make claims that are JUST not real. Christ is the perfection in Christianity and the best we as Christians can come to perfection is to repent when we sin. NONE of us are perfect.

19 posted on 10/13/2007 8:10:42 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: ari-freedom
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...no, we’d rather live in an American country...one that just leaves Jews and members of all peaceful faiths alone without trying to insinuate that one faith is ‘perfect’ and the other is ‘imperfect.’

I believe the author of this article hit the nail on the head -- such an option does not exist...
" A secularized people who believes in nothing but watery principles of tolerance and democracy inevitably will succumb to the combination of violent Islamic intimidation and the "nondiscriminatory" imperatives of their own multicultural worldview.

Nature abhors a vaccuum, and a society that believes in 'nothing' will be absorbed by a culture that 'believes'. The islamic cult of satan is on the march in Western Europe for precisely this reason. The 'sophisticates' of Western Europe have abandoned their Christian heritage and islam is filling the void.
Be careful for what you wish.
You might despise being around believing Christians (because by definition, believing Christians are going to want to 'share'), but you might not like the alternative.

20 posted on 10/13/2007 8:12:40 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: ari-freedom

Boy, I didn’t realize my freedom rested on supporting Ann Coulter. She needs to educate herself a bit before she passes judgement on Jews.


29 posted on 10/13/2007 8:23:53 PM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: ari-freedom
...one that just leaves Jews and members of all peaceful faiths alone without trying to insinuate that one faith is ‘perfect’ and the other is ‘imperfect.

I wonder how long did it take you to compose this long, pompous, and totally lacking sense sentence.

Do you imply that three or more different things belonging to one category (religions, for instance) can be equally and simultaneously 'perfect'?

Or you just love to scribble baloons (and listen to the sound of your own voice)?

30 posted on 10/13/2007 8:26:54 PM PDT by Neophyte (Nazis, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: ari-freedom
no, we’d rather live in an American country...one that just leaves Jews and members of all peaceful faiths alone without trying to insinuate that one faith is ‘perfect’ and the other is ‘imperfect.’

Your ignorance of the carefully chosen term, "perfected", by Ann is matched by Savage and others.

As a follower of Christ I am perfected in him, not made perfect in any earthly sense. The law of Moses leaves, as Jesus taught, all believers lost in sin since none are perfect.

Jesus said, "You must be born again...", meaning, as Paul explained, that the old man of sin and death must die that the new man of the Spirit can be born. This is the "perfection" that Ann talked about. It is basic Christian doctrine and is at the core of our faith.

Jesus' teachings, his sacrifice and the salvation he offers are, by any measure, the fulfillment of the Jewish faith. Christians understand that they and Jews are one in the Spirit, brothers and sisters in mutual love for the Father. The Messiah is, after all, Jewish.

The author points out that Ann is being scorned as a True Believer. This contempt for faith is the core of Marxism. The genius of Marxism lies in its ability to pervert the truth with high sounding condemnations of lovers of truth. It is axiomatic that politically correct thought - Marxist doctrine - is the enemy of truth. Listen carefully to Hillary, a brilliant Marxist, and you may begin to understand.

41 posted on 10/13/2007 8:36:15 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: ari-freedom

Back when I was a Christian, it was taught that Christians owe a debt of gratitude to the Jews. Jews were the one people who through G-d’s grace, and their own study of Torah, were holy enough that G-d could send his Messiah.


47 posted on 10/13/2007 9:00:01 PM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: ari-freedom

Ann Coulter is a Christian, as am I. As Christians we have been given the Great Commission to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ to all the world.

God has given each of us free will to accept or reject His Son Who died for our sins. We Christians want salvation for all peoples, for to accept Jesus Christ as our Savior, we will live eternally in Heaven. It is up to each person to make that decision one way or the other.

This is a simplification of what Ann Coulter was trying to say. It was not intended to offend anyone. Michael Medved and Dennis Prager, both Jews, have defended Ann Coulter. People who have no faith in a higher being either do not understand, or prefer to deliberately misunderstand in order to push their own religon, or lack thereof.


49 posted on 10/13/2007 9:05:07 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: ari-freedom
"no, we’d rather live in an American country...one that just leaves Jews and members of all peaceful faiths alone without trying to insinuate that one faith is ‘perfect’ and the other is ‘imperfect.’"

I agree!

"We just want the Jews to be perfected,..." --Ann Coulter

We're not seeing the worst of it in television political talk and discussion threads. It's far worse between individuals, face-to-face, in smaller groups. I was a Christian, until the latest passion play was disseminated in 2004, and am knowledgeable of what they say between themselves.

It goes further back than pre-WII Germany. The same propaganda was used by the ancient Romans.


72 posted on 10/13/2007 10:30:42 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, Gentile student of Judaism)
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To: ari-freedom
one that just leaves Jews and members of all peaceful faiths alone without trying to insinuate that one faith is ‘perfect’ and the other is ‘imperfect.’

So Ann's statement of her opinion of your faith means that you're not "left alone"? Is her opinion that powerful? If so, why? Atheists are on TV every day saying that anyone who believes in God is uneducated and a provincial fool. No one is seriously offended by that. You understand that the atheist is following his/her belief system and go on with your life.

88 posted on 10/13/2007 11:15:27 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: ari-freedom

If you do not believe that your religion is perfect, you are an idiot.


156 posted on 10/14/2007 4:04:11 PM PDT by getitright
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To: ari-freedom
no, we’d rather live in an American country...one that just leaves Jews and members of all peaceful faiths alone without trying to insinuate that one faith is ‘perfect’ and the other is ‘imperfect.’

It was Deutsch who was pushing Coulter for something to be offended about. Read the whole transcript. He kept pumping her for what her "ideal" picture of America would be. I'm really sick of the apparent presumption that she just decided to mouth off and push her religion. Rather she was being interrogated about it. If Deutsch didn't want to hear about Jesus, he has only himself to blame. Moreover if you did not want to hear about it, then blame Deutsch for pushing the issue and blame yourself for investing yourself into it.

Now assuming you have some passing interest in relevant facts in your self appointed role of judge of other people's religious views, I can help you straighten a misconception you seem to have (alternatively if you have no interest in understanding what she meant because it involved Christian beliefs, then you remain ill suited to pass such judgments).

Consider what she meant by "perfect". It did not mean she thought that she and others Christians are perfect, nor that Christians had perfect faith. What she did mean was that it is God's business to make people perfect (not fully accomplished while in this life) and accepting the gift of salvation through Jesus is the only way to get there. It is acknowledged that one does not need Jesus if one is already perfect, but it is thought that no-one, Christian or otherwise ever was, excepting Jesus Himself.

Now how do I know what she meant? Because I understand her religion. If you do not choose to understand it, then FINE. But don't you dare go around telling Christians what we ought to believe! And don't you dare go around accusing a Christian of pushing their religion for trying to explain it to someone who is demanding answers about it on one hand and then being determined to both misunderstand and be offended by it on the other!

162 posted on 10/14/2007 4:35:46 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: ari-freedom

So I guess we should ban evangelical Christians...since that’s what they believe the Bible instructs them to do.

Was the fact that Christians believe the New Testament to be correct an elephant in the room? Did you think it was a joke when you heard Christians talk about the need to believe in the words set out in the 2nd testament?

What Coulter said was standard doctrine.


172 posted on 10/14/2007 8:28:41 PM PDT by Def Conservative
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