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To: dellbabe68
Andy, I have no idea what you are talking about. I pushed no views on you.

I'm not saying you did. Rather I was illustrating that Ann was not being pushy.

I stated, in a public forum, that I think she’s wrong. Period.

Are you now maintaining you merely disagree with her on some theological point?

Earlier you wrote that she had been offensive and said she behaved like an ASS. Furthermore you maintained that the offensive was obvious. Thus when you say "she was wrong" I must take it to mean you she was "morally wrong" in a conventional way recognized by most of society.

So I'm trying to find the basis of this moral condemnation. From your previous post it sounded like you thought she was being too pushy with her religious views. I responded with jaw dropping incredulity because she had in fact been pointedly asked for her views on the matter.

208 posted on 10/16/2007 12:38:07 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: AndyTheBear

I never said Ann was being pushy with her views, I said she was an ASS to have said what she did.

“The basis of this moral condemnation” (your choice of words; I just think it was a dumb thing to say):
Well, let’s see. It was insensitive, as she used a word (perfection) which was commonly used during WWII as a way of justifying exterminating Jews and which gave the reason for a supposedly superior race doing the exterminating. I think it was a poor choice of words. I stand by that.

I am not disagreeing with her on any theological point. I am agreeing with the bulk of people who think she went too far. If this isn’t valid enough for you, I will still sleep tonight. I think you are looking for detailed theological explanations where none are needed, or you’re spoiling for a fight over scripture. I am a layperson, Andy, not a theological student or priest or nun. I also happen not to think I need to have only a theological justification for something being wrong, nor do I have to give a theological basis for my feelings. That is not the community in which I choose to live. To quote a Supreme Court Justice, “it’s a little like pornography; you know it when you see it.” Ann was wrong for having said something unnecessarily offensive, against a group who did nothing to her, and she used a word that I think was chosen poorly, especially given the events of the 20th century and even threats commonly made today by certain despotic leaders. Why this is not clear to you, I’m not sure. You seem bent on defending her, or defending the expression she made.

I also do not feel that Jews need to be converted. I think they have their God, they are a Godly people, and a tight knit community. They could do worse. So I am not in favor of giving them any crappola. I feel her remark did that and I stand by what I feel, and incidentially, what a lot of other people feel as well.


212 posted on 10/16/2007 4:45:25 PM PDT by dellbabe68
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