Posted on 10/13/2007 3:40:48 PM PDT by EveningStar
...The issue with Coulter is not whether she can sell books, but whether she helps or hurts the side of the political debate she claims to support. In my opinion, Coulter has never been a big help to the effort to build a conservative and Republican majority. Her most recent comments on the relationship of Christianity to Judaism, made on the CNBC show " The Big Idea" with Donnie Deutsch on Monday of this week , may prove particularly damaging...
At a time when party affiliation is fraying and a third of Americans consider themselves independent, to build a majority of 50% plus one requires persuasion. Independents will not accept all parts of either party's platform or approach but will choose a candidate for office based on which issues matter to them, and whether one or the other party connects with them on those issues. It is a skill to disagree at times without being disagreeable. Ronald Reagan had it, and it is one of the reasons he became so popular and patched together a large winning coalition . Coulter has clearly decided there is no economic advantage for her in this approach...
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
“He chose to suffer.”
But He’s God. He’s still alive. Where’s the sacrifice?
Explain to me how you think it would be a sacrifice if Jesus were only a human versus Him being fully human and fully God. Since you have already said it has nothing to do with ceasing to exist, I'm not getting what you think sacrifice would be.
Faith doesn't solely exist as some sort of abstract reality. It is a substance. It is evidence. If it is just "faith" in a completely subjective sense (no matter how much or in what fashion you attempt to remove objectivity from the equation), then it is useless. If my faith is in the Easter Bunny, I am not served by my faith. It makes me no better person. It leads me nowhere. That is because it is based upon a lie, a fraud. If there is no "things hoped for" or no "thing unseen" (to put it in Christian phraseology) then the faith is pointless. No matter what kind of warm fuzzies it gives me.
If you are God and you choose to take on a human form, and then you choose to die knowing that you will still live on — there is no sacrifice. You can say it is symbolic of our spirit living on, but it is not a sacrifice. God can keep coming back in human form endlessly should he so choose. We cannot. Neither can Jesus, if we are to believe there was a sacrifice involved.
If you are the Son of God and you are human, and you allow fate to be fulfilled by dying on the cross — then there is sacrifice. For the story to make any sense at all, and for the sacrifice to have any point, Jesus has to be human.
uh yeah huh.
Then it wouldn't have been a sacrifice for a human being either, because we live on after our flesh dies as well.
You can say it is symbolic of our spirit living on, but it is not a sacrifice.
No symbolism. We live on after death.
God can keep coming back in human form endlessly should he so choose.
Yes, and we will be resurrected physically.
For the story to make any sense at all, and for the sacrifice to have any point, Jesus has to be human.
Sorry, that claim doesn't make a bit of sense to me for the reasons I've outlined above and in my other posts. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
It's not so much being afraid of opinions, so much as it's stop carrying on like a jackass and making us look bad. That's like saying people who don't like Jerry Springer are afraid of television.
I don't care for Ann Coulter because she's also a lousy columnist. It's not her opinion, but how she "expresses" it. Her columns are nothing but a rambling string of school-age taunts, and they never stay on topic.
While Anne got it started, kind of, I would not really blame her for that. It is more of an unintended and unknowable consequence. I would blame those at work, who are undoubtedly uber-libs that would like to cut your throat because of your views, and utterly regardless of the quality of your work (how's that for the vaunted liberal compassion for their fellow human beings???).
I've PM'd you separately about my recommendations.
Bottom line-CYA, and do so in a way that makes the libs look like a bunch of stupid little children tattling on you. Show your boss that you are the mature one, and that politics have nothing whatsoever to do with your performance at work. I'd perhaps even put in some extra time - be there before the boss, take short lunches, leave after the boss. It'll be good not only for resolving this idiocy, but also for promotions/raises in the future.
Illegitimi Non Carborundum - "Don't let the bastards grind you down"
Believe me, they have a work horse in me, as is. The other secretary was appalled when I told her what had happened and her son is a rabbi - I told her, don’t trust Donny Deuschbag as the defender of Judaism - and the woman from CT is a big trouble maker.
Patrick Henry you're not.
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“Then it wouldn’t have been a sacrifice for a human being either, because we live on after our flesh dies as well.”
No, no, no. God can come back in the flesh. We can’t. It’s a very fundamental difference. It’s what makes God God and us human. THAT’S why “God” dying on the cross is not a sacrifice.
“No symbolism. We live on after death.”
But not here. We can’t come back.
“Yes, and we will be resurrected physically.”
But it won’t be back to here. It will be heaven.
“Sorry, that claim doesn’t make a bit of sense to me for the reasons I’ve outlined above and in my other posts.”
That’s because none of your reasons apply to what I am saying — as I just outlined above.
OK, let’s try it on the flip side of the same coin. If we CAN come back just like God, then we are all gods. If there is no fundamental difference between humans and God then what’s the point of any of it? Nothing, of course. That’s why there HAS to be a difference and it is why Jesus cannot be God if his sacrifice is to mean anything at all.
“I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.”
Yes. And I’ll hold on to logic so that it makes some sense.
“Then it wouldn’t have been a sacrifice for a human being either, because we live on after our flesh dies as well.”
No, no, no. God can come back in the flesh. We can’t. It’s a very fundamental difference. It’s what makes God God and us human. THAT’S why “God” dying on the cross is not a sacrifice.
“No symbolism. We live on after death.”
But not here. We can’t come back.
“Yes, and we will be resurrected physically.”
But it won’t be back to here. It will be heaven.
“Sorry, that claim doesn’t make a bit of sense to me for the reasons I’ve outlined above and in my other posts.”
That’s because none of your reasons apply to what I am saying — as I just outlined above.
OK, let’s try it on the flip side of the same coin. If we CAN come back just like God, then we are all gods. If there is no fundamental difference between humans and God then what’s the point of any of it? Nothing, of course. That’s why there HAS to be a difference and it is why Jesus cannot be God if his sacrifice is to mean anything at all.
“I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.”
Yes. And I’ll hold on to logic so that it makes some sense.
If you mean "we don't have a copy from St. John's typewriter", no. It seems to me that, in place of the Bible that we have, faithfully handed down to us through the ages, you have decided to believe in an ethereal "original" Bible that more closely fits your inclinations.
Exegetes would be unemployed.
Humbug. They would just have to become an expert in what the Scriptures SAY not what they would like them to say.
Faithfully with copy errors, omissions, additions, and translation from poor Greek.
Oh yeah, that'll do it. Jewish Republicans are going to walk because Ann expresses a theological opinion. Talk about a bigoted POV.
Hey, how about this: why don't we just muzzle any conservative who might offend the left? That way, we'll just have pundits approved by Donny Deutsch, Harry Reid, Howard Dean, and Keith Olbermann.
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