Posted on 10/13/2007 8:34:15 AM PDT by do the dhue
Gleen Beck had Pastor John Hagee on his show last night. They discussed the end times. I think this was one of the best interviews I have seen in a long time. It was very interesting. Did anyone see it? Here is the transscript
(Excerpt) Read more at transcripts.cnn.com ...
Thanks to nmh for the list of birds in the Bible.
No not at all but rather the events that were taking place right before the drops fell. The Great Tribulation will be such a horror which man has yet to ever see then does anyone think weddings and feast etc would be going on? Rather once the rain began and GOD close the door to the ark it was too late. The first 3.5 years after the agreement or treaty with the anti-christ is agreed to by Israel will be bad the second three and a half far worse. I literally cringe every time our state department tries to get Israel to sign peace agreements or rather have them sign such agreements with other nations.
What I was saying though or meant was as in the days of Noah so will it be before the church is called out before that agreement is signed and the anti-christ actually revealed.
There is another thought to that the generation which saw Israel reborn in a day {via U.N. action} will also see the return of Christ. That still does not conflict with no one knows the day or hour Christ returns.
I believe the visions Daniel saw were sealed up and not to be understood until the time they should be revealed to us from GOD himself in the age to come being spoken of. The knowledge and communications increases. I don't think that prophecy was meant to be understood by anyone including early church leaders or even church leaders up till the atomic age and fullfillment of Israel recognized as a nation again before the world. Indeed now every nation can see Israel and her streets as well. Tonight, Tomorrow, a decade from now, or longer who knows. We need to be ready.
1 Corinthians 15:51But let me tell you a wonderful secret God has revealed to us. Not all of us will die, but we will all be transformed. 52It will happen in a moment, in the blinking of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, the Christians who have died£ will be raised with transformed bodies. And then we who are living will be transformed so that we will never die. 53For our perishable earthly bodies must be transformed into heavenly bodies that will never die.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 also offers some insight.
This is mans third time he has approached vast increases in knowledge and twice GOD has stepped in to prevent it from happening. First was the Garden of Eden the second was the Tower of Babel. Twice GOD interviened because He had other plans for us. This time He hasn't however except to keep some third world crazy from releasing the nuclear trigger upon the world. I believe the events spoken of in Revelation is likely a nuclear war. Some completely unimaginable to John but a real possibility today. Imagine an old man 2000 years ago sitting on Patamos and GOD showing him the events of our time. How could he possibly describe it?
When Christ was asked what would be the sign of His return, what was the first thing He said would be a sign?
The first mention by Christ in the Bible is here concerning a sign as to his return. Early request for a sign concerned people wanting a sign that He is Christ.
Matthew 24 V1As Jesus was leaving the Temple grounds, his disciples pointed out to him the various Temple buildings. 2But he told them, “Do you see all these buildings? I assure you, they will be so completely demolished that not one stone will be left on top of another!”
3Later, Jesus sat on the slopes of the Mount of Olives. His disciples came to him privately and asked, “When will all this take place? And will there be any sign ahead of time to signal your return and the end of the world£?” 4Jesus told them, “Don’t let anyone mislead you. 5For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Messiah.’ They will lead many astray. 6And wars will break out near and far, but don’t panic. Yes, these things must come, but the end won’t follow immediately. 7The nations and kingdoms will proclaim war against each other, and there will be famines and earthquakes in many parts of the world. 8But all this will be only the beginning of the horrors to come. 9“Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because of your allegiance to me. 10And many will turn away from me and betray and hate each other. 11And many false prophets will appear and will lead many people astray. 12Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold. 13But those who endure to the end will be saved. 14And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then, finally, the end will come.
15“The time will come when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about: the sacrilegious object that causes desecration£ standing in the holy place”—reader, pay attention! 16“Then those in Judea must flee to the hills. 17A person outside the house£ must not go inside to pack. 18A person in the field must not return even to get a coat. 19How terrible it will be for pregnant women and for mothers nursing their babies in those days. 20And pray that your flight will not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For that will be a time of greater horror than anything the world has ever seen or will ever see again. 22In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, the entire human race will be destroyed. But it will be shortened for the sake of God’s chosen ones.
23“Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘there he is,’ don’t pay any attention. 24For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great miraculous signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones. 25See, I have warned you.
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I use King James, but close enough to get the picture....
Deception was warned, but yet wars and rumors of wars ...fear ye NOT. Now that kinda makes this ‘tribulation’ thing about nuclear destruction against what Christ said....
Another place it is Written Christ said I have foretold you all things. So if we are NOT to fear wars and rumors of wars what is the opposite of that? Now who will be this bringer of supposed ‘peace, peace, peace’, and at what price.
Now who tempted Christ and what was the temptation?
Great post. Thanks.
Is there a postmillenialist in the house? (crickets chirp)
Guess I’ll have to go it alone.
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- Template from Divinity School
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- Beware false prophets
- Not all are named Mo
- End times deadlines have been predicted over past centuries
[End times deadlines have been predicted over past centuries]
Oh I know that. The Catholic church also forbids paying attention to ‘prophets and seers’. Trying to remember the name of the well known one who made all the predictions ages ago.
Watched a show on him one time. He supposedly sat with a mirror in front of him so he could ‘see’ things.
My memory is going down the drain, lol. It will come to me the minute I hit post!
V 1-13 could easily cover the time beginning at Stephens death- present. An overall permutation of Christians that has taken place through the ages. V -14 points toward the current as the Gospel has literally been preached to all nations. v 15-22 is aimed at the M.E culture or rather I should say Children of Israel who must go through this. The instructions are specific and so is the geographic regions. And indeed we have false messiahs and false prophets Applewhite, Jones, Moon, etc.
It will end in war in the middle east namely on Israeli soil. Will we as a nation be there? As an Army no likely not. The armies will likely be all nations that can march or drive there meaning Europe/Asia. Those still alive in the U.S will likely be starving as we won't even have fuel to plow with. The one who will supposed bring peace will be the anti-christ at a price among other things of one world government. Likely a rebirth of the Roman Empire. EU perhaps? Satan is the one who tempted Christ by trying to give him this world and wanted Christ to worship him. One of the last temptations came the night before the cross though. Christ had power and authority to save His own life but without Him shedding His blood at the cross man would still be lost. His prayer in the garden spells it out. The final temptation came as a fear Christ had not ever know in His entire existence with GOD which was separation from the Father while on the cross.
re Hal Lindsay
Thanks for mentioning Hal Lindsay. Been years since i read anything by him, but found his website..The ‘Commentary’ section has some of his weekly columns which he writes for WND - World Net Daily. He was mostly right on the money when he wrote “The Last Days of the Late Great Planet Earth in 1970”
Here is the URL to his website
http://hallindsey.org/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
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They cherry-pick his predictions
Names, dates are pretty vague
Like Jean Dixon
Predict thousands of things
A few may come thru
The rest forgotten
[Like Jean Dixon]
Gosh, I had forgot about her too.
I hesitate to say this but think it’s true that most people who quote the Bible here do some ‘cherry picking’ themselves.
But after Paul was struck down on his way to Damascus he reports to US this day Ephesians 6:12.. that this ‘war’ is not about flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places... He then tells US to put on the WHOLE armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the *EVIL DAY* and having done all, to stand.
WE are already there.... or at least in the neighborhood ... gather place of the crowd.
Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD GOD, that *I* will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
Now God is telling Amos what to write and God already knew what would be in that *evil day*. Remember how many times Christ asked the question do you have *ears to hear* and *eyes to see*.
How do you think most Christians would fare if they would be ‘personally’ tempted by Satan, especially if the Christians were deceived that the first supernatural being upon this earth was Christ Himself, not the devil coming bringing in peace and prosperity to those who would bend a knee to him?
Later.
I have a feeling we'll find out soon enough :>{ But he too has been overcome. Christ when He returns there will be no mistaking for those who read the Bible. They eyes of the world will be focused on the streets of Jerusalem. Christ tells us how he will return. It will be the same way as he left. When the blast is given the earth again will give up her dead as it did at His resurrection the difference this time is they are called up to be with him. True enough the devil tries to copy what Christ does but we are told how Christ will come back. To tell you the truth when He calls the mind, spirit, and body will obey Him. Don't look for peace on earth it's not going to happen. The disturbing part now of world culture is hero worship though and someone Charismatic enough will indeed deceive many to follow him. It's happening in our political world daily and it will happen in the spiritual sense unless we watch ourselves carefully.
We should also pray that we not be tempted and when we are to be given strength to endure it. But not every bad thing that happens to us is evil either and it can get kinda murky sorting it all out :>} That is where faith and The Holy Spirit come in.
But after Paul was struck down on his way to Damascus he reports to US this day Ephesians 6:12.. that this ‘war’ is not about flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places... He then tells US to put on the WHOLE armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the *EVIL DAY* and having done all, to stand. WE are already there.... or at least in the neighborhood ... gather place of the crowd.
It sure looks like we are. The spiritual part of it can be the hardest sometimes. Sometimes it's best to go find that quiet place to take an undistracted walk or place to sit to pray and listen. I've found that to be where I am lead to go to get ready for the next round to hit. It usually doesn't take long to hit either. The Lords gotta be helping me otherwise what sanity I've got left would be gone now. I can see the war getting bigger and I don't mean the military kind but rather spiritual. I do understand where your coming from.
My references to nuclear war is meant as the method or vessel by which the wraths would come. The descriptions of the carnage are about the same not that I'm gonna dwell on that.
I agree with you, we are told that God will never leave us nor forsake US so long as we stay with and in Him....
Thanks for the conversation, you have a good night/morning.
How about summing up for me?
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