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We came so close to World War Three that day (More Info)
The Spectator ^ | October 3, 2007 | James Forsyth and Douglas Davis

Posted on 10/04/2007 9:39:34 AM PDT by Parmenio

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To: gjones77

That’s where the data seems to point, doesn’t it?


101 posted on 10/04/2007 11:09:04 AM PDT by null and void (<---- Living a life of quiet desperation...)
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To: Kozak

Uranium is highly flammable.


102 posted on 10/04/2007 11:10:49 AM PDT by biggerten (Love you, Mom.)
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To: AppyPappy

Of course, like Mothra, the F-15 can kick much ass.


103 posted on 10/04/2007 11:13:42 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Spktyr
Actually the info from Israel was first silence and denial but secondly that the planes had carried out electronic warfare against the SA-23 batteries. It was only later that rumours and more or less official statements started to circulate that something bigger had taken place.

Whatever the actual target, a few days ago it was reported that Russian technicians were leaving Iran and that there were a certain unrest among the top echelon in Iran. Not unexpected since the Iranians have centered their air-defence on Russian systems.

The target: Hard to say. So far no on has measured any increased radioactivity, something that should have been possible to do if it was a large cache of enriched nuclear material that was bombed. On the other hand, just yesterday there were news that North Korea had agreed to dismantle its nuclear weapons program. Yes, we have heard that one before - but it would be so much easier to promise something like that if the weapons material had been transported half way across the world.

Finally, witnesses, reported now in both Israeli and international press, deny any bombing, but admit that war planes did fly across (”sound bangs”). So, three possibilities: a) the journalists have been fooled by planted witnesses, b) there were no bombings or c) the attack took place somewhere else.

Personally I would go for alternative “c”.

PS: I’m sorry I did not provide any links. I am traveling and not writing on my own computer so I have to make it “short and sweet”. However, try http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com for more information.

104 posted on 10/04/2007 11:13:56 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: massgopguy

That last sentence was what I had been confused about.The Mad Bomber,Weasly Klark.What a dumass klintoon stooge.


105 posted on 10/04/2007 11:16:02 AM PDT by xarmydog
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To: Dog

Actually, I’ve been mulling that over since I started following this story. Damascus is supposed to be gone as in the sense of vaporized, non-existent. Egypt is supposed to be uninhabitable for centuries. I hesitate to introduce any of my bible studies into the threads, as it tends to dilute the information from more scientific minds on FR. I just read and read and most of what is talked about is a brave new world for sweetpea Sunday school teachers like me. I have trouble with “EMP” for instance — I’m trying to reason it out from the acronym, but “impact” obviously ain’t it. ;-)


106 posted on 10/04/2007 11:19:16 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: CougarGA7

The story makes an interesting reference to the Israeli Ofek spy satellite. According to a Jerusalem Post story, Ofek 7 was launched in June 2007, and the whole thing including launch was accomplished by Israel. Ofek 7 orbits only over Israel’s areas of interest, rather than covering the entire earth as most U.S. satellites do. However, I am a bit skeptical about what can be accomplished within a gross weight of 300 Kg, as stated by the Post. As far as I know, high optical resolution can only be accomplished by a large aperture telescope, and U.S reconaissance satellites have employed mirrors in the range of 90-100 inch diameter. Such a telescope would consume a large part of the 300 KG weight budget, unless the Israeli optical scientists have made some great strides in adaptive optics. I’m very glad to hear that they have Ofek7 , and I am sure they will make good use of it.


107 posted on 10/04/2007 11:19:53 AM PDT by 19th LA Inf
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To: txflake

Whoa-ah! Does it glow in the dark?


108 posted on 10/04/2007 11:20:44 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: blam

I would NOT want that unit mad at me.Or anything within its range!Thankfully,I have good neighbors!


109 posted on 10/04/2007 11:20:54 AM PDT by xarmydog
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To: bert
I can’t believe an external explosive force would be stronger than the atomic bonds of the mass causing it to vaporize or fly apart.

Plutonium is just a metal. It also burns.

110 posted on 10/04/2007 11:21:18 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

I also vote (c) - but more towards “the system sucks” side since it’s supposed to be all sorts of amazing capabilities when set to fully automatic operation.

That said, since the units were so new, there almost *had* to have been some Russian cadre training the Syrian operators on their new hardware. They would almost certainly have been assisting or operating the things in a crunch. The fact that the systems didn’t hit a single craft on the way in or out has to be really disturbing.

My rule of thumb for Russian high tech and the claims made by the Russians about same: Halve the effective range, MTBF, and the other claimed capabilities, double the amount of required maintenance claimed, and you generally have a pretty accurate picture of what they’re trying to sell you.


111 posted on 10/04/2007 11:22:10 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: DejaJude

That’s actually one possibility that’s been raised - but you’d only be able to do it if the enemy was sending a strike that was close to their own front line positions.


112 posted on 10/04/2007 11:23:24 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: null and void
If the levels are too low to glow, no one without instruments will know. Anyone with instruments will probably not be in a position to disclose the information...

Yeah, Syria can't complain about the strike when there is detectable material from NK and wherever else.

I love this deterrence strategy. We say: hey, we said no nukes for you. If you get nukes, you're gonna keep nukes for 50,000 years in dispersed formation, not warheads.

113 posted on 10/04/2007 11:24:18 AM PDT by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: null and void

.....Think of a magnesium fire ...

I have in mind a uranium bullet that penetrates tank armour and becomes incandescant but remains intact. they are said to rattle around in the tank.

If there was a moab, I don’t think the explosion would be capable of disintegrating the uranium mass. It might be blown away, but is intact where it landed. If intact, it is recoverable.


114 posted on 10/04/2007 11:24:46 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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To: Parmenio

Mr. Davis implies that there was “nuke stuff” in the building. If so, the area around the building will most likely be radioactive. It’d be interesting to see the post-raid satellite photots....


115 posted on 10/04/2007 11:25:23 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
I have trouble with “EMP” for instance — I’m trying to reason it out from the acronym, but “impact” obviously ain’t it. ;-)

EMP stands for "electro-magnetic pulse", a large burst of electromagnetic energy attendant on nuclear detonations. This pulse would render most electronic devices totally into junk in the area surrounding the event...

the infowarrior

116 posted on 10/04/2007 11:25:47 AM PDT by infowarrior
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To: Spktyr

Alternatively, if the advance raid by the Israeli commandos got so close as to collect soil samples from the target, another raid may have been to sabotage their air defenses.


117 posted on 10/04/2007 11:25:55 AM PDT by Ironfocus
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To: DrGunsforHands

We don’t know much about the Israeli nuclear program. They may have investigated the idea of the nuclear shaped charge. We figured it out, but never did much of anything with it.


118 posted on 10/04/2007 11:27:48 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

EMP is Electro-Magnetic Pulse.

This pulse of energy generates current in conductors the same way moving a magnet in a coil does.

Only on steroids.

The resulting current spike is so high it fries any electronics connected to the power lines, and any battery powered electronics that are close enough, or have antenna.

Pretty hard on a modern society...


119 posted on 10/04/2007 11:29:29 AM PDT by null and void (<---- Living a life of quiet desperation...)
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To: CougarGA7
Thanks txflake. I’ll go over to globalsecurity and find where that is.

Quite a ways from Dayr az Zawr.

120 posted on 10/04/2007 11:30:07 AM PDT by cynwoody
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