Posted on 10/03/2007 10:15:01 AM PDT by jacknhoo
Regarding Cantor: I am talking about physical reality, not sets of numbers - numbers being a formless idea. Also, a finite region must have borders or risk being infinite. Even if there is no structural border an end to the region must be understood for it to be a region. What lies beyond that borderless-but-finite region called Space? Or is it actually infinite? Explain that... scientifically, of course.
In the macro sense we do not have the experience to have observed the Universe exhibiting a general entropy. But, in the micro sense we see the opposite happening regularly. New plant and animal life have occurred throughout measurable history, each time seeming to become more complex. How can this be? If you believe that the entire Universe will eventually experience the kind generalized entropy that the Second Law points to, considering the constant creation of new stars and systems, you have greater faith than I. Unfortunately, what you have faith in does not love you.
“Don’t know...I do know what real love feels like, though...unlike anything you or anyone else has ever experienced.”
So, no one else but you, in particular, know’s God’s love? Hmmm...
Destroy Atheism.
“NOTHING I’ve read from you supports that claim.”
Ok, so I have to surrender my reason and logic to fairy tales in order to be a good conservative?
“Right, you’re a Darwinist (and the reality is that evolution is the LEAST DANGEROUS aspect of the Darwinist’s agenda).”
Err.. how can believing in the truth be “dangerous”? Please explain. Or did God create the Earth (and the Universe) and fill it full of false evidence to lead us astray?
“Are you denying that Sanger was a eugecicist/Darwinist and is greatly responsible for the nearly 1 BILLION abortion deaths.”
Nope. She was all right. Just don’t know where you are getting the figures for a billion deaths. That sounds high. Are you counting all the fetuses not conceived due to her efforts at birth control as “deaths”?
“The fact that you seem to oppose most conservative principles.”
I realize that the existence of someone like me is anathema to you, but I assure you that I am right in line with nerly all conservatie principles, with the exceptions of euthanasia and I believe 1st-trimester abortions should be allowed, but severely discouraged. I am a *VERY* strong 2nd-amendment supporter and despise the lack of morals in todays society. I ***HATE** the democratic party, Marxism, socialism, and the idea of any democrat being in any public office. They destroy everything they touch, and hate this country and would surrender it to our enemies given 1/2 a chance.
Nice post.
Are these atheists the otters or the ones with the condoms on their heads?
RAdical atheistic agitprop. Hitler was born a Catholic and died a Nazi. He had plans to persecute Christians, July 6, 1945 - "The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches"
Doesn't sound very Christian now does it?
Except religionists admit to faith while Dawkins and his ilk just say "we're brighter". Kinda funny no?
“Except religionists admit to faith while Dawkins and his ilk just say “we’re brighter”. Kinda funny no?”
Haven’t read much of Dawkins or his book. From the few quotes I have read - he does sound arrogant. In my experience, arrogance is the refuge of the insecure. However, he does have an enormous amount of empirical evidence to point to in support of evolution. That trumps “faith” any day in my book. Where I part ways with the true die-hard atheists is where they claim that they have actual proof that God does not exist. This is simply untrue.We can’t prove God’s existence or non-existence either way with any evidence we possess to date. God could exist, for instance, and not care at all about human suffering, nor reveal himself to us. So I guess the best way to describe me would be an extremely skeptical agnostic. I am always open to further evidence, should such arise.
Mosat of the Nazi High leadership, including Hitler, were Christians:
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-120612042.html
Excerpt:
“MOST OF the Nazi leaders considered themselves not merely Christians but instruments of God’s will, proclaims Richard Steigmann-Gall, a young Canadian historian. Many people think that if the Nazis had any religion it was derived from Wagner’s operas and Teutonic mythology. Not so: the paganists were a minority, much derided by Hitler and Goebbels, who remained nominal Catholics and paid church taxes to the end. “
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Kudos on one of the most utterly cogent posts I have read on FR!!!
I assumed you could read, evidently you can’t. The evidence from Nuremberg is clear, the Nazis had plans to persecute Christians. If you choose to go through life stuffing square pegs into round holes in order to justify your world view, that is up to you.
I consider anybody, with a passing acquaintence of the atcs Adolph Hitler and the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, who claims that Adolph Hitler was a follower of Jesus of Nazareth a loon. You my friend, are a loon.
Shh!! You’re not supposed to mention creation or creationism when talking about something to do with Intelligent Design. You’re letting the cat out of the bag!
I"m a Christian, the sort this group hates...and I've noticed the same thing you have. One word of warning, if you tell them that they are taking their position on faith they get quite angry and sometimes violently so.
Where did you read that? Most atheists I know, and today's prominent atheists like Dawkins and Hitchens, will claim there is no evidence to prove there is a creator, but as far as I know, none of them has ever claimed they can prove the opposite. Proving a negative is impossible. We can't prove there are no invisible unicorns either, but we can say it's extremely unlikely they do exist.
Hitchens was on TV just the other day and said exactly this. When asked, he agreed he could not prove that God does not exist, but turned the question around and asked how likely was it that God, if he did exist, cared who we slept with and what we ate.
I agree that Dawkins is an arrogant SOB, but I believe you misunderstand his claims about the existence of God.
The core values of an atheist are almost indistinguishable from most religious people in this country. Atheist liberals believe as Christian liberals, and yes, atheist conservatives believe as Christian conservatives, by and large. Political affiliation is a number better indicator of core values than the presence or absence of religious belief.
That's why when they do surveys of moral behavior, from things like viewing porn, illegally downloading music, to cheating on your spouse, the results from non-religious and religious people are the same.
Atheists simply don't go around saying, "I don't believe in God, so I therefore I should do xyz."
Most of them, however, have no problem at all schooling their children to have faith in big government.
If God’s idea of justice is anything like C. S. Lewis’ in “Screwtape Proposes A Toast”, Richard Dawkins and Fred Phelps will be sharing a bottle of sparkling Pharisee in the hereafter. As the liquid contents, that is.
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