Christian leaders threaten to abandon Republicans

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | September 30, 2007

[Man50D]

WASHINGTON – Some of the top leaders in Christian pro-family activism – including James Dobson of Focus on the Family – met in Salt Lake City yesterday to plot a strategy if Rudy Giuliani or another supporter of legalized abortion is nominated by the Republican Party as its presidential candidate.

Not only was there a consensus among activists to withhold support for the Republican nominee, there was even discussion about supporting the entry of a new candidate to challenge the frontrunners.

It's no secret that Dobson, founder of one of the largest Christian ministries in the country, has no use for Giuliani.

In June, he said: "I cannot, and will not, vote for Rudy Giuliani in 2008. It is an irrevocable decision. If given a Hobson's – Dobson's? – choice between him and Sens. Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, I will either cast my ballot for an also-ran – or if worse comes to worst – not vote in a presidential election for the first time in my adult life. My conscience and my moral convictions will allow me to do nothing else."

Dobson reportedly drove from his headquarters Colorado Springs to the private meeting, held between sessions of the Council for National Policy in Salt Lake City this weekend, just to weigh in with other leaders of family groups, including the Family Research Council, Bott Broadcasting, Capitol Resource Institute, Salem Communications, Eagle Forum and Concerned Women for America

[Jim Noble]

You don't see a connection between Christianity and Conservatism?

Nope.

[Man50D]

too, am pro-life but I will vote for Giuliani over Clinton any day because I think the defining issue of our time is the WOT

That is a poort definition to base your support for Rudy. WOT is not just a problem in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is a gobla problem, including our southern border with Mexico. It is a fact terrorists have entered this country posing as illegal immigrants and yet Rudy supports amnesty for illegals! He even went as far to recently claim Illegal immigration is not a crime! It's self defeating purpose to fight terrorists at the front door while allowing them through the back door. There couldn't be a more dangerous policy.

When it’s the choice two not so good candidates, I will always vote for the lesser of two evils.

It is that type of appeasement, compromising thinking that has devolved the GOP into a more socialist party.

[mware]

Talk about buying a pig in a poke.

Wish I could look in a crystal ball and see what kind of judges Rudy would appoint.

I know what kind Hillary would appoint.Matter of fact it is almost a given that she would pull a Bill Clinton and fire the judges like he did.

[AmericanInTokyo]

I can hear it NOW, right here on FR, next year. (If one of these pro-abortionists wins the GOP nomination in cahoots with the Country Club Establishment of the RNC).

"But...But....But.....YOU'LL PUT HILLARY IN THE WHITE HOUSE!", they will scream to (try to) convince us to vote for one pro-abortionist over another, as if that is any kind of relief.

This vote here of AiT's, delivered by absentee ballot if I am still over here at that time, will definitely go to a Third Party Conservative or Indpendent if RUDY, McCAIN or any of his ilk get the GOP nomination somehow. They can take that to the bank over at the RNC. There are millions of us Christians just like that.

[John Leland 1789]

“Dr. Dobson and his associates should announce who they would support for President and why they support them.”

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Perhaps the man of their choosing is not yet in the running. And when their choice is on the scene, the remainder of the Republican Party may turn around and ask, “Why did we not tap men like this before (?) — why did we waste our time, energies and emotions on the current field?”

I don’t know that that will happen, but it certainly could. And that answers to the statement in the article that the Democratic Party will not compromise their principles (if you can call them principles!), but have forced the Republican Party to compromise THEIR principles. The Republican Party is the one being drug under in the social and moral arena.

[Man50D]

The same could be said of the moderate, centrist, but supposed mainstream elite that claim to be fiscal conservatives but are socially liberal, they hold the same responsibility.

Going Clinton lite under the guise of a moderate supposed mainstream candidate with a liberal congress will have the same results of a Clinton figure head. Just look at what a 'big tent' republican congress that got replaced by a pretend to be more conservative but in fact liberal congress has done to President Bush.

I couldn't agree more! This wishy washy, sacrificing of principles will only result in a person getting the type of candidate they don't want.

[Jim Noble]

My cousin remarked that the social conservatives are the strong base that faithfully gets out there and works for the candidate, and a lot of them are getting frustrated about the drift from social conservative values. She said one of the candidates they won’t get behind is Guiliani. He seemed to disagree, and he proceeded to talk about how social conservatives love Guiliani (not this one) who he said will move further to the right. Basically, it didn’t feel like she got anywhere.

Your cousin isn't wrong, exactly, but the social conservatives don't understand that they cannot elect (look, they can't even nominate a Republican candidate, for heaven's sake) on their own.

What they will do to go into coalition with non-socon Republicans is unclear, has always been unclear, and represents the downfall of Roveism.

[John Leland 1789]

“Enjoy the Democrtic Party instead, they appear to be MUCH closer to the Christian Ideal.”

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As far as closeness to the Christian ideal, there is virtually NO difference anymore between the two major parties, and the RNC leadership doesn’t really care anymore.

[RushLake]

While I hate Guilani's positions on abortion and firearms rights, he has been consistent on the most important issue of our time which is winning the war against islamic terrorism. He also seems not to be afraid to engage her highness in battle. Like many others, I would prefer someone else with the right conservative credentials, but we will never achieve our goals if Hillary Clinton becomes president with a democrat house and senate.

Mr. Dobson should look around his fundamentalist congregations very closely and realize that many of those alleged fundamentalists are consistent democrat voters and always have been. I do not understand how one can be a fundamentalist evangelical and support the party that renders more unto Caesar than that which is Caesar's, the party of baby killing, the party of special rights for homosexuals, the party that hates America. Dobson has some work to do in his own house before he condemns the work that we might do not in his house.

[Just mythoughts]

There is nothing conservative about a social liberal. It is a deception to claim one is fiscally conservative but socially liberal. To play means someone pays and that is what social liberalism preaches: freedom to play and then when the destruction of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness results, a government FUNDED program of non-judgmental tax burden must be shared by ALL.

It will not matter which party the candidate claims to be representing....

[longtermmemmory]

If Dobson does this then he is a bigger fool than ever.

Stay home yes, but a third party effort is EXACTLY what hillary clinton needs to vote.

I think Dobson WANTS a left winger to win so he has a foil to be relevant.

He is “claiming the issue” instead of the solution.

He has a picture of winston churchill on his wall. Churchill was in a parlamentary government. He is also 100% bs-ing because it is the CONGRESS that originates laws. The president will not produce a bill to do whatever. A president does not vote on a constitutional amendment.

[Man50D]

The problem is candidates pass themselves off as conservatives wile they campaign but do a 180 and betray their constituents once they reach office. If they choose Guiliani it is because they have the mentality it is ok to sacrifice principles simply for the sake of winning. That is why the GOP finds itself in such a mess.

[roamer_1]

He is “claiming the issue” instead of the solution.

It IS the solution- The only solution to a party gone haywire that refuses to listen to it's most long term and powerful base members.

Republicans without Christianity are as without conscience as the Democrats. It has become Liberalism in a business suit.

[Kimberly GG]

“Perhaps the man of their choosing is not yet in the running.”

I have never heard any reason for Dobson or any of the other leaders in the Christian community, for not putting their backing squarely behind Duncan Hunter. I can’t imagine that ‘electability’ or ‘poll numbers’ (the usual excuses) to be an issue if they are considering promoting a new candidate. has anyone heard of any legitimate reason why they aren’t 100% behind DH? He would seem an obvious choice.

[Just mythoughts]

If Dobson does this then he is a bigger fool than ever. Stay home yes, but a third party effort is EXACTLY what hillary clinton needs to vote.

Careful now, that word FOOL could be applied quite broadly.... although I AM NOT advocating staying home. There is as much responsibility on those promoting a Clinton lite as those who choose not to vote.

This is NOT about 'hurt feelings' this is about the direction of our nation and some of US do not take lightly what these candidates ideas actually represent to the future of this nation. Some of US can discern the difference in an Europeanization of this nation and holding fast to that which we have been bless to be.

[Man50D]

He said they have to get moderates and independents to vote, and the social conservatives will vote for the GOP because usually their candidates are socially conservative.

This "social Conservative/fiscally liberal garbage is a joke. It's another term for those who are trying to appease everyone and in doing so sacrifice their principles. Boehner's response is the very reason why the GOP is losing its base. When you try to please everyone you end up pleasing no one.

[avacado]

"It is important that Dobson understand that electing Clinton by throwing away Republican votes will bring his heart misery he has yet to imagine."

Thank you for common sense.

At least with a Republican in the WH the Republican party can pressure a Republican president into selecting conservative Supreme Court judges. With Hillary in the WH the USA will become a fully federally funded abortion mill and the Nanny State across all 50 States will allow for non notification of abortions on juvenile girls.

My choice would be for Duncan Hunter as our President, but I am NOT staying home and allowing a Democrat to take this Whitehouse. No way.

[longtermmemmory]

It is important that Dobson understand that electing Clinton by throwing away Republican votes will bring his heart misery he has yet to imagine.


This is such an obvious fact that it has to be Dobson trying to protect his own power by trying to manuver to be a "jessie jackson" for conservatives.

He can not succeed because conservatives do not work that way. He will only succeed in destroying himself. Pat Roberts, Bauder (sic), Buccannon have all preceeded him and all have been self eliminated from politics.

[Man50D]

You don't see a connection between Christianity and Conservatism?

Nope The precise problem with the GOP.

[Jorge]

When it’s the choice two not so good candidates, I will always vote for the lesser of two evils. I’m not going to throw my vote away or stay home and let the worst candidate triumph. That’s like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Finally voice of reason.

You bet these same people will be crying on these boards for 4 years after helping to elect Hillary.