To: Ramius
I agree with you the child should never have been mainstreamed.
I have one problem with your statement — it was a teacher’s aide not a teacher, and fortunately, it was one of the other students.
71 posted on
09/23/2007 10:54:09 PM PDT by
Waryone
(Constantly amazed by society's downhill slide.)
To: Waryone; TheBattman; FormerACLUmember; bannie; srmorton; Ron in Acreage; DouglasKC; toldyou; ...
WRONG! 6 year-old children know it is wrong to assault someone (heck, even my 3 year-old is starting to figure that out). This child will not end up in the penal system for this offense, but just maybe the child will be placed in a more suitable environment. Of course, if the parents do not teach the child that assault is wrong....
Assume that I am a nonverbal low functioning autistic child, I can't speak, can't understand english, and don't recognize you as a person.
Go, teach, come on
Teach me about violence.
Teach me what qualifies as violence.
Teach me about right and wrong
Teach me about time and how it is linear and that I can't go back and do something wrong over and get it right.
Teach me that Violence is wrong and that I have to get my estimates right the first time because I can't go back and fix it later.
Good luck, you'll need it.
You have no idea what you are talking about, I have an autistic son, I have spent tons of money getting him help, it's an uphill battle against TV and cartoons (which he loves) teach that anger and violence are an acceptable response to any social situation.
You guys who get on here and pontificate with little knowledge are dangerous because people might actually listen to you.
The only way for an autistic child to learn "Normal" behavior is to observe it by being included in a class with "Normal" children, My son spent years learning social skills, goes to a class every week where they tech things like taking turns, how to play games with "Normal" children. He had to obtain a certain level of behavior an knowledge before being included in a main streaming program.
If it was an aide who was trained to work with autistic children, she should have known not to turn her back on him when he is stressed. Autistic children do not just go boom with no warning if he was getting over stimulated there are signals. Hand flapping, humming, loud nonsense noises, jumping up and down, running in circles, running into walls repeatedly are common behaviors, of an autistic child who is losing it. These symptoms are not subtle. Any competent person who has had a two day course on working with an autistic child would know when one is getting ready to "Pop" and should be trained to deal with them before they do. (Take them some where with less stimulation)
You guys assume the worst of the parents with no evidence. I know lots of parents of autistic children, they all sacrifice huge to help their kids go as far as they can. The parents who are not willing to take on such a daunting task just give their kids to the state, and pretend they never had "Johnny".
KantianBurke: Big mistake. Retards and nutcases do NOT belong with normal kids.
So, are you 100% Average? Do you know anyone who is completely normal? do you belong with normal people?
Waryone: I dont believe the teachers aide was in charge of autistic children. She was just helping with normal children. The autistic child was main streamed in with the normal ones. I agree that the autistic child should not have been placed with the normal children. He should have been placed where there are people trained to handle his situation.
A main streaming classroom is such a place. the training doesn't take that long, I know I have both taken and given such training.
Waryone: Although I agree it is a shame the child has to go through the penal system, it seems as though the only effective way for any thing of benefit to occur today is to go through the justice system. It may not be right, but it is the way the system is set up to work today.
I can guarantee you that this will not help anyone involved in this case.
Ramius: you get the gold star for this thread.
For the record, My son is 11, when he was 4 started with a speech therapist, and a special preschool for autistic children, then went to a special private school for autistic children. He has been at a special public school with autistic classes and normal classes, he has to earn the right to have GYM and recess with normal kids. He works hard and is now one of the top kids in his grade. He may never be in the "Normal" class, but all the kids there know him and most like him, he works hard at that too.
Those of you with the intolerant attitudes here, examine your hearts, is this what God would have you do, have you say Say, have you be?
I hope and pray that you never have to learn the way I am learning about autism. Unfortunately, the odds are that someone you know will have autism and you will regret your words here as you learn.
72 posted on
09/23/2007 11:15:55 PM PDT by
DelphiUser
("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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