[shibumi]

"I think it would be the creationists who are more likely to DISAGREE with that post rather than the “Darwinist”, I presume that by Darwinist you mean someone who believes evolution is a more valid theory than creationism."


What I meant by my admittedly pejorative use of the term "Darwinist" was that group of highly vocal and extremely closed-minded individuals who shut out the possibility of ANY other explanation for the existence of species (including man) that we see today other than the doctrinaire drone of "natural selection" as set forth in modern text books and academia. To put it another way, someone who has become what they say they despise by adopting their theory as dogma.

I have attempted on several occasions to enter into fruitful discussion regarding alternate ways of looking at the reality that we perceive all around us, only to meet with ridicule, name-calling and derision based on unfounded assumptions about my religious beliefs.

When I have offered to explain my hypotheses and metaphysical speculations "offline" (so as not to hijack threads or take up space with non-germane discourse) I have met with stony silence.

Contrary to your supposition, RipSawyer, the most open-minded people I have run into, who have been willing to challenge their own assumptions about the nature of creation and their cherished scripture have been people of faith.

I would like to believe that those who claim to be speaking from a purely scientific point of view would be open to exploring new insight, but experience on these threads has taught otherwise.

I like Greek and Turkish coffee, lamb and beef medium rare and my conversations witty, but without rancor, vitriol or derisive sarcasm. Hopefully, if we meet again in another venue, we will remember each other as fair-minded individuals.



(.....after all, anyone who quotes Salamander on his home page can't be all bad.)

[edsheppa]

the most open-minded people I have run into, who have been willing to challenge their own assumptions about the nature of creation and their cherished scripture have been people of faith.

Maybe you could get them to post on some FR crevo threads. It'd be a refreshing change.

[Salamander]

Oh joy!
*Finally* I’m good for something.....;))

[betty boop]

Contrary to your supposition, RipSawyer, the most open-minded people I have run into, who have been willing to challenge their own assumptions about the nature of creation and their cherished scripture have been people of faith.

Amen to that, shibumi! We try to understand the Book of Creation as it actually is, not as we would have it to be; i.e., as a reduction to our own preferred theory or level of intelligence and experience. We know the Book of Creation is much more than that! That Man is not the Measure.... He is only an observer.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so very much for your wonderful post, dear shibumi!

Indeed, the most open minded (fearless) people I've engaged on science threads are people of faith.

And frankly the most closed minded (fearful) posters on either side of the crevo wars seem to seek each other out.

Perhaps they consider the extreme view on the other side to be an easy target - or perhaps they are afraid that the consequence of an open discussion might 'rock their world' - or perhaps their purpose is but to preach?

[jonathanmo]

"Contrary to your supposition, RipSawyer, the most open-minded people I have run into, who have been willing to challenge their own assumptions about the nature of creation and their cherished scripture have been people of faith."

Holy cow ! You have just proven the Parallel Universe theory, because you would have to be reading posts on a Parallee FR to reach that conclusion!