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"The year gun control became a health-care issue." Any bets Hillary'd do it again?
Shooting Industry ^ | Dec. 1993 | Jim Schneider

Posted on 09/20/2007 3:10:14 PM PDT by Oakleaf

"The year gun control became a health-care issue" Shooting Industry, Dec, 1993 by Jim Schneider

1993 will go down in the history books as the year gun control became a "health issue." Not that the anti-gunners haven't been trying to make it a health issue for a long time, but 1993 was the first time they had a strong supporter in the White House.

This strategy, simmering for months, came to a full boil with the introduction of the Clinton Administration's health care proposal in late September when President Clinton mentioned gun control in his address to the nation. Hillary Clinton -- the point man on health care -- has made her feelings clear on the subject as well.

On Sept. 28, she told Rep. Mel Reynolds (D, Ill.), who is sponsoring his own tax-the-guns bill, that she does indeed favor a tax on firearms but that first she would like to see various categories of firearms banned.

Two days later, she reaffirmed her desire to tax firearms under questioning in the Senate.

Then on Oct. 1, USA Today -- which has earned its reputation as one of the nation's leading advocates of gun control -- editorialized that, "It's only natural. It's utterly obvious. Gun control and health reform go hand in hand. Indeed, gun violence is a steady and powerful inflater of health costs.

"In 1985, the total medical costs of gun violence were more than $900 million. Three years later, the costs had risen to $1.2 billion. Low-ball figures for 1990 place the number at $1.4 billion. And costs surely are continuing to rise ...

"This is why President Clinton plugged gun control in his health-care speech.

"It's why Hillary Rodham Clinton, after opposing the idea, indicated ... that she supports a plan to more than double the 10 percent gun manufacturers' excise tax to help pay for health reform ..."

During the next 48 hours, those figures mushroomed, so that when Senator Bill Bradley (D, N.J.) appeared on CBS' "Face the Nation" program on Oct. 3, he was able to declare, "The fact of the matter is that the cost of guns should be measured by their impact on society, as well as the profit margin for the manufacturer and the profit margin for the dealer.

"There is a cost, and that cost is in health care. The President highlighted it the other night.

"$4 billion in health care costs every year in this country because of violence from guns. If you take lost productivity over a lifetime, it's $14 billion annually in revenues.

"My view is that the gun manufacturers have to bear some of the costs in the health care system. We can offset that by having a tax on handgun purchases and assault weapon purchases and the purchase of ammunition. I believe that's absolutely critical."

Whichever figures you accept -- those of USA Today or Senator Bradley -- the fact is that gun violence is responsible for a fraction of 1 percent of the total amount spent on medical care in this country (an estimated $752 billion in 1991). Of course, following this logic, shouldn't there be a hefty health tax on automobiles? Far more medical costs arise from car accidents than the misuse of firearms.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; banglist; democratparty; democrats; election2008; hillary; hillarycare
She proposed this in '93. It never went anywhere but what are the odds it would be one of the first things she'd do if she won in '08?
1 posted on 09/20/2007 3:10:23 PM PDT by Oakleaf
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To: Oakleaf

Anywhere Hillary can promote her self imposed dictatorship; she will.


2 posted on 09/20/2007 3:14:02 PM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: Oakleaf

They also had the active connivance of the CDC. I’ve never really forgiven the latter for subordinating science to politics.


3 posted on 09/20/2007 3:15:43 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Oakleaf

Guns are a health issue. I believe it’s unhealthy to not own one or more guns.


4 posted on 09/20/2007 3:21:32 PM PDT by Disambiguator (What's the temperature, Albert?)
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To: Oakleaf

-bflr-


5 posted on 09/20/2007 3:22:53 PM PDT by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Oakleaf
An inanimate object is a health issue but unsafe homo-sex is not.
6 posted on 09/20/2007 3:44:16 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Oakleaf

without a doubt, and it will be via HR1022


7 posted on 09/20/2007 4:34:07 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Oakleaf

I had this in an E-Mail for several months.

Adjust your tin-foil hat.

The day JFK Jr.’s body was pulled out of the Atlantic was the same day he was to announce his run for the senate seat hildabeast wanted.

See this? FBI report...given by Gore to....

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION PRELIMINARY REPORT ON THE RECOVERY OF PIPER SARATOGA AIRCRAFT OF JOHN F. KENNEDY, Jr.

1. No declassificatin until 7/22/2029.

2. This is in deference to the wishes of a senior member of the Kennedy family.

3. Also in deference to the order of the national government and in respect to certain foreign intelligence agencies having reciprocal agreements with the U.S.

4. POTUS order and national security findings attached.

5. The recovered aircraft shows evidence of an explosive device having been glued or affixed within the tail luggage compartment.

6. Device was apparently actuated by a barometric trigger. Radio signals not ruled out.

7. Tail of aircraft was dismembered from the plane making it front heavy.

8. Study of radar shows the plane fell in excess of 6,000 feet per minute up to radar cutoff.

9. Satellite images supplied by the National Reconnaissance Office record an outbursting flash from the aircraft just prior to it going into perpendicular descent.

10. Tail structure was dismembered just prior to descent.

11. Recovery of a piece of luggage from beyond the flight path of the aircraft correlates with it being hurtled out of the tail luggage compartment at outburst.

12. Preliminary examination of the aircraft shows residue of an explosive device the Laboratory identifies as being the type used by certain foreign intelligence agencies. Refer to POTUS order and findings.

13. Study of Air Traffic Control and other radio signals shows no Mayday report from the aircraft, explained by rapidity of descent.

14. Investigation and examination has been strictly compartmentalized.

15. A short, perfunctory examination of the recovered bodies was completed. Examination revealed that Carolyn Bessette Kennedy was in third trimester pregnant, the fetus a boy. The four bodies were transferred to a senior member of the Kennedy family. The Bureau was not informed whether the bodies were actually cremated. Indirect advisories report that the bodies may have been shipped in untagged containers to foreign destinations. Reliable assets are to submit reports.

Somebody thought it important at the time, so I reposted it.

JJ


8 posted on 09/20/2007 4:37:22 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Disambiguator
Guns are a health issue. I believe it’s unhealthy to not own one or more guns.

Y'all better start getting involved in defending your home and family now.

Join the NRA, take training classes, buy some weapons, several thousand rounds of ammunition, and practice.

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9 posted on 09/20/2007 5:44:04 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Cobra64

I’m way ahead of you (go read my profile).


10 posted on 09/20/2007 6:15:58 PM PDT by Disambiguator (What's the temperature, Albert?)
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To: Disambiguator
By the nature of your previous message, I knew you were.

My response was more of a general comment to other FReepers reading this thread.

I push my pro-American, pro-gun issue all the time here.

I'm working towards getting my collection up to this guys level:

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Cheers.

11 posted on 09/20/2007 8:10:50 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Cobra64
BTTT!

Will BLOAT on the way home from work.

12 posted on 09/21/2007 6:46:21 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*RWVA)
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To: Cobra64

I once got to see the gun vault at the DOE shooting range facility in the Manzano Mountains. There were hundreds of firearms, including sniper rifles in .308 (Remington 700 based), M-16s with collapsible stocks, MP-5s, “grease guns”, you name it. I think they have about $1 million worth of hardware in that place.

We had a lot of fun that day, seeing as we got to play with some of those toys.

:^)


13 posted on 09/21/2007 6:46:23 AM PDT by Disambiguator (What's the temperature, Albert?)
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To: Oakleaf
Wait for it


Wait for it


It's for the CHEELDREN.

14 posted on 09/21/2007 6:49:06 AM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: Oakleaf

State sponsored genocide is also a health-care issue.


15 posted on 09/21/2007 10:05:49 AM PDT by alieno nomine (Orationem pulchram non habens, scribo ista linea in lingua Latina)
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To: Oakleaf
Gun control and health reform go hand in hand. Indeed, gun violence is a steady and powerful inflater of health costs.

Government unConstitutinally meddling in health care is what raises costs. Does that mean we can outlaw government?

16 posted on 09/21/2007 9:55:52 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Oakleaf
She proposed this in '93. It never went anywhere but what are the odds it would be one of the first things she'd do if she won in '08?

Sure she'd do it again, no doubt about it. BTW, her original proposal may have never gone anywhere officially, but it stirred up a bunch of doctors who continued to bang that drum. Anyone remember how doctors were involved in getting "Black Talon" ammo discontinued?

They're just waiting for Hillary to put that ball back in play.

17 posted on 09/21/2007 10:01:18 PM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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