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UK: Archbishop calls secret service for gay clergy to halt slide towards schism
The Times (U.K.) ^ | September 18, 2007 | Ruth Gledhill

Posted on 09/17/2007 5:30:35 PM PDT by Stoat

Archbishop calls secret service for gay clergy to halt slide towards schism

 

Dr Rowan Williams is just returning from a three-month break, but the secret communion is bound to destabilise his position further

Dr Rowan Williams is just returning from a three-month break, but the secret communion is bound to destabilise his position further

 
 
 

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, is to hold a secret Communion service for gay clergy and their partners in London.

Dr Williams will celebrate the eucharist at St Peter’s, Eaton Square – the Church of England parish that is known as the spiritual home to some of the country’s most liberal and wealthy Anglican elite. There he will give an address titled “Present realities and future possibilities for lesbians and gay men in the Church”.

The event has been organised under Chatham House rules, which prevent any disclosure of the discussions. The event will take place at 10am on November 29. A list of the names of those who will be present will be seen only by Dr Williams. It will be shredded afterwards.

Among those attending will be the convenor, Chris Newlands, the chaplain to the Bishop of Chelmsford, the Right Rev John Gladwin. Also present will be the Vicar of St Peter’s, the Rev Nicholas Papadopulos, and the former chaplain to the Bishop of Salisbury, the Right Rev David Stancliffe.

Dr Williams’s mission to maintain the unity of the Anglican Communion, rent with schism since the 2003 ordination of the gay Bishop Gene Robinson in the US, has never appeared less likely to succeed. The disclosure of the event could not have come at a time more likely to destabilise him. This week he is due to attend a meeting of US Episcopal bishops to discuss the crisis. He has returned from three months on holiday and sabbatical, working on a study of the Russian writer Dostoevsky. His return has been marked by a Church in disarray.

African archbishops from the Global South group of churches have been consecrating like-minded evangelical bishops from the US to pastor parishes alienated by the Episcopal Church’s liberal drift. A new structure is in place to facilitate a breakaway province in the US. There is speculation that at least one African province could be close to consecrating a missionary bishop in England.

The Rev Richard Kirker, of the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement, criticised Dr Williams for trying to hold a Communion service in secret.

“I don’t think it is a good thing in many ways. The conditions of secrecy are quite at variance with the openness of his meetings with a panoply of antigay church leaders. We are astonished at the attempts to make the meeting clandestine when it would be far better to have this in the open. The fact that he wants to go there without anyone knowing he’s going there makes it quite clear that he has an attitude towards the event that he doesn’t have at any other meetings.”

Details of the event were published on a website of the Church Society, evangelical.org. The Rev David Phillips, its general secretary, said: “The secretive nature and circumstances of the meeting suggest they have something to hide. Moreover, as is well known, there are clergy in the Church of England who have refused to give assurances that they are celibate and bishops who, contrary to their own agreed policy, apparently refuse to ask for such assurances.

“The Archbishop might have defended the meeting with such a group on the grounds that he is engaged in a listening process. However, by leading the Communion service he is clearly doing far more than just listening.”

Chris Sugden, of the evangelical group Anglican Mainstream, said: “It is understandable that the Archbishop of Canterbury would wish to express support and understanding for people who struggle with same-sex attraction. Many Christian churches and organisations do that.” He said that to do so in the context of a service of Holy Communion was “problematic”. He said: “The teaching of the Bible, of the Anglican Communion and of the Church of England is that active same-sex behaviour is contrary to the will of God for human behaviour.”

A spokesman for Dr Williams said: “It should come as no surprise that the Archbishop is meeting pastorally with clergy and others affected by the current debates in the Church. Such encounters extend right across the range of opinions within the Church. Few of these encounters ever reach the public domain. That is as it should be.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: anglican; britain; churchofengland; england; europeanchristians; greatbritain; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexualclergy; homosexuals; religion; rowanwilliams; schism; uk; unitedkingdom
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“The Archbishop might have defended the meeting with such a group on the grounds that he is engaged in a listening process. However, by leading the Communion service he is clearly doing far more than just listening.”

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A spokesman for Dr Williams said: “It should come as no surprise that the Archbishop is meeting pastorally with clergy and others affected by the current debates in the Church. Such encounters extend right across the range of opinions within the Church. Few of these encounters ever reach the public domain. That is as it should be.”

1 posted on 09/17/2007 5:30:39 PM PDT by Stoat
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He called in the Secret Service!?! Wow, there might be some three dollar bills around.


2 posted on 09/17/2007 5:32:29 PM PDT by pbear8 (Padre Pio please pray for Tony Snow)
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Ping


3 posted on 09/17/2007 5:34:03 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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Hey! Archbishop! Listen UP!

Mother always said that if you have to do something in secret, then you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place.


4 posted on 09/17/2007 5:34:52 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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I wouldn’t be surprised if the church building collapsed and crushed the whole miserable lot of them.
5 posted on 09/17/2007 5:36:56 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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Ping


6 posted on 09/17/2007 5:37:46 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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The church of which he is the head is going to he!! in a handbasket, but he takes the summer off to study Dostoevsky. Good plan (not).


7 posted on 09/17/2007 5:39:21 PM PDT by Cecily
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The Times is highlighting this reader comment at the article's page (emphasis added)

 

 

8 posted on 09/17/2007 5:41:46 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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I think it’s no longer a secret.


9 posted on 09/17/2007 5:42:44 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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I thought George Bush had a tin political ear, but this move by the ABC Williams sets a new standard for disconnectedness.


10 posted on 09/17/2007 5:44:02 PM PDT by bennowens
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The man just doesn’t get it, does he?


11 posted on 09/17/2007 6:10:04 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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The church of which he is the head is going to he!! in a handbasket, but he takes the summer off to study Dostoevsky.

I was shaking my head at that one, too. Seems to be having a bit of a problem with prioritizing.

12 posted on 09/17/2007 6:15:03 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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Celebrating communion with self-avowed and unrepentant homosexual couples including clergy as partners seems to me to run directly counter to the spirit, if not the exact word, of the Windsor agreements. By offering communion to these "couples" is he not tacitly blessing these relationships?

Has the ABC thrown in the sponge?

13 posted on 09/17/2007 6:20:00 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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Yeah, I am sure during great schisms in church history is a great time to go on sabbatical and pray? No, to study Dostoevsky? The guy is a raging liberal. But folks who I have talked to in Episcopal church here in states, some parish’s are leaving and joining the Anglicans. Can’t say I blame them. This dense liberal thinks you can talk some things to death, but instead the church he heads is dying as it goes down a wrong road.
14 posted on 09/17/2007 6:20:35 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Stoat

Rowan Williams was known to be pro-gay at the time he was appointed archbishop. Tony Blair has a record of supporting gay rights, notably his insistence of forcing a bill lowering the age of consent for gay sex with minors through parliament. So presumably Blair recommended Williams to the Queen for that reason.

Since the Anglican Communion began to openly split, Williams has been cautious about publicly asserting his pro-gay beliefs. But it’s clear what he thinks.

I find it amusing the the Anglican homosexuals are bitching about this secret meeting because they think he should be doing it openly.


15 posted on 09/17/2007 8:03:29 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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16 posted on 09/17/2007 8:04:38 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Stoat
Secret Gay Anglican Rite?
17 posted on 09/17/2007 8:23:24 PM PDT by ricks_place
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“Rule One...”


18 posted on 09/17/2007 8:24:46 PM PDT by RichInOC ("...NO POOFTERS!")
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As the Archbishop of Canterbury, he should realize better than most that being a “troublesome priest” often has unpleasant repercussions.


19 posted on 09/17/2007 8:28:40 PM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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Three months off to study Dostoevsky? Has Dostoevsky become one of the Church Fathers? Three months to study Augustine or John Chrysostom or John Scotus Eriugena, I could see...but Dostoevsky?

Maybe he was studying Crime and Punishment trying to figure out if the gay clergy had committed a crime and what their punishment should be...

20 posted on 09/17/2007 8:29:13 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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