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Belichick Fined; Pats Lose Pick
ESPN ^ | 09/13/07

Posted on 09/13/2007 5:45:28 PM PDT by misterrob

Bill Belichick was hit with a $500,000 fine Thursday night -- the maximum allowable by NFL by-laws -- for violating the league's policy on videotaping the Jets defensive signs Sunday. In addition, Roger Goodell notified the Patriots that they would forfeit a 2008 first-round draft choice if they reach the playoffs, or second- and third-round picks if they do not qualify for the playoffs. The club was also fined $250,000.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: americancheaters; belicheat; belichick; football; libmasscheaters; nepatriots; nfl; patriots; pats; sports; tapriots
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To: tabsternager

Forfeiting an NFL game is pretty much a pipe dream, in my opinion. People keep saying it, but if you understand the sport, the league and the money involved, you know it is not going to happen except under fairly extreme circumstances, which this situation is not.

It is kind of like the libs thinking the USA is going to pull out of Iraq after the 2006 election cycle. For them, it was a form of masturbation to make themselves feel better, but it was never going to happen.


141 posted on 09/13/2007 7:39:06 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: y'all

Scatter shooting while wondering how the Chargers are revamping things in preparation for the game vs NE Sunday. That one will be popcorn intensive.


142 posted on 09/13/2007 7:40:16 PM PDT by Dysart (Lip-readers are more fun than naked Jell-O fights.)
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To: LetsRok
Take away their three wins and they are 0-5-0 in Super Bowls. The three wins all came on field goals. Not exactly a powerhouse. At least Dallas, San Francisco, Pittsburgh Green Bay all really beat their opponents. They won three in four years, but Dallas did it first. So, yes, by all means put an asterick by those three wins.

GO COWBOYS!!!!!
143 posted on 09/13/2007 7:40:46 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (PUT AN END TO ORGANIZED CRIME. ABOLISH THE I.R.S.)
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To: Tribune7

There’s no need to forfeit the Jets game. The cameraman was confronted and his equipment confiscated during the first quarter.

The Pats won that game legitimately.


144 posted on 09/13/2007 7:42:43 PM PDT by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: Dysart
I read your tagline, and it is true only in the sense that football signal tapers are more fun than erotic dancers...:)


145 posted on 09/13/2007 7:44:21 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: misterrob

The NFL should have come done much harder on the Patriots. The Pats cheated and should pay much more than they did.


146 posted on 09/13/2007 7:47:56 PM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: ml/nj
I guess I don't understand. (I'm a Giants fans so I have no dog in this fight.)

Uh, the Gay-ants were suspected signal-stealers not too long ago. There were rumors that they were intercepting the opposing teams' play calling back in 2001. The difference is, they were never caught.
147 posted on 09/13/2007 7:48:00 PM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans who support Rudy owe Bill Clinton an apology.)
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To: All

The Patriots cheat. This cannot be denied this isn’t the first time and all they have done these past years with billicheck will be in question.


148 posted on 09/13/2007 7:48:46 PM PDT by blarney
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To: rlmorel

If you’re a student in school and your teacher catches you cheating on a test, what’s the penalty? A big “F,” always.

In my opinion, the same should have happened to the Pats —since it was the game with the Jets that they were caught “cheating on,” they should have had that game forfeited.


149 posted on 09/13/2007 7:49:38 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: misterrob
The two gentlemen I pinged can offer informed opinions on Frankenbledsoe...

If I may, sir......

Bledsoe had 1-2 more starts before Tom would be given a shot in 2000. Bledsoe's decline really wasn't so much a decline as it was a levelling off. In 1996, the Patriots made the Super Bowl largely due to their defense and a young phemon RB named Curtis Martin. In the AFC Championship game that year, Drew did everything possible to lose the game. Luckily, two defensive turnovers sent the Pats to New Orleans where Drew threw 3 INTs and stood like a statue as the late Reggie White treated RT Matt Lane like a turnstile.

In the 2002 AFC Championship game, Tom had his ankle twisted on a sack by, I think, Joey Porter. And onto the field came Drew while a six state region called New England blessed themselves and traded beer for hard liquor. On the second play, Drew scampered to the sideline and took a wicked shot - exactly like the one that almost killed him earlier in the season. Drew threw a highlight reel TD pass to David Patten and grabbed a little momentum as the teams went to halftime. The second half was by far the most frightening 30 minutes of football I've ever watched. He overthew wide open receivers. He did his classic "sky hook pass to no one while being sacked". He hit Porter right in the numbers with a bullet that surprised even him so much that he couldnt make the INT. It was awful.

In sum, Drew was spectacularly mediocre. He had very bright flashes of brilliance against bad teams here and there, but he never had that "Favre" killer instinct to lead the team to victory.

That said, Drew played a large role in the growth of the Patriots into one of the elite teams in the NFL. I can remember going to games his rookie season and there would be less than 20K fans in the stands. Now we're hated from sea to shining sea by fans, players, coaches and owners of teams that SUCK. Thanks Drew. Your INTs and unnecessary sacks will also bring back fond memories of my college days.

150 posted on 09/13/2007 7:50:48 PM PDT by threechamps (Carbon - the other white meat.)
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To: Shermy
I guess the unwritten rule is eyeballs, binocs, pad and pencil, —ok

Recording equipment — no.


Actually, those are the written rules. They were also re-affirmed via memo prior to the season because people were complaining specifically about the Pats.
151 posted on 09/13/2007 7:52:12 PM PDT by laxcoach
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To: misterrob

“Rivers sucked that day and your DB decided to run the ball back instead of taking a knee.

FUMBLE!!!!

Pats go on to win.

Marty screwed the pooch and you know it.”

I’m not saying the Chargers played their best game. But I guess we’ll never really know what the outcome would have if the Patriots weren’t cheaters either, will we?


152 posted on 09/13/2007 7:53:15 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: tabsternager

Ouch


153 posted on 09/13/2007 7:53:56 PM PDT by Dysart (Lip-readers are more fun than naked Jell-O fights.)
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To: Terpfen

“There’s no need to forfeit the Jets game. The cameraman was confronted and his equipment confiscated during the first quarter.

The Pats won that game legitimately.”

Let me guess — you’re a Patriots fan.

As Cowherd said, if you don’t need to cheat, why would you?


154 posted on 09/13/2007 7:55:43 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: Leto
If the NFL was sloppy in writing the rules that should be their problem. They should fix the rule. Better yet allow the D players to have the radio as the O players do. BTW the Pats voted in favor of allowing the radios in the D players helmet which would make all this moot.

The media wanted to 'lynch' BB. They hate him bercause he ignores them and they can't stand it. Goodell folded under the media firestorm.

The rules specifically forbid taping other coaches.

They sent a memo today reminding the boundaries of the rules. "Among other things, the memo reiterated that videotaping opposing coaches is banned."

I agree about D players and radios though.
155 posted on 09/13/2007 7:56:33 PM PDT by laxcoach
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To: tabsternager
Let me guess — you’re a Patriots fan.

I'm a Dolphins fan. Scroll up--you'll witness misterrob bashing my team as if it somehow nullifies what Belicheat has done.
156 posted on 09/13/2007 7:57:18 PM PDT by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: Terpfen

“I’m a Dolphins fan. Scroll up—you’ll witness misterrob bashing my team as if it somehow nullifies what Belicheat has done.”

Then I stand corrected. Sorry.

But I still think they should have been forced to forfeit that game since it was the game in which they were caught cheating, regardless of who would have won it legitimately.


157 posted on 09/13/2007 8:02:39 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: tabsternager

Like I said...not gonna happen, and was never going to. No chance. Zero. Zip. Nada. If you thought it was going to happen, you are just deluding yourself.


158 posted on 09/13/2007 8:08:34 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: tabsternager

What proof did you have that they cheated? And what was the infraction? If Marty had done a better job the Chargers win.

Own it.


159 posted on 09/13/2007 8:14:27 PM PDT by misterrob (One down, 18 more til the Pats win the SB again.)
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To: misterrob

If you call a cavalcade of a$$holes spouting off about how great the Pats are (because they’ve had a good run of cheating lately after years of mediocrity) “a few people fronting for their team”, then you’re deluding yourself. Arrogant, smug pricks living vicariously through a sports team is what I call it. I’ve seen your types before, way too many times, and I didn’t like it then, either.

Just as with the Packers, it’s not the team I dislike, so much as the jackass fans I have to put up with. I’ve learned a few things about the Pats fans tonight, and now they’re on the same list as the Packers for me.

And, most importantly - the older I get, the more I realize that none of it (pro sports that is) means a damn thing in the big picture. I’ve watched a grand total of about ten minutes of Vikes action so far this year, I haven’t spent even one minute in any of the Vike boards I used to read religiously, and I haven’t spent a penny on any pro sport in years. It’s become little more than a sideshow for me; the whole thing could pass into oblivion tomorrow and I wouldn’t miss it a bit. I have better things to do with my Sundays like fishing, hunting, reading, puttering around the yard and garage, etc.

With that, I will exit, stage right.


160 posted on 09/13/2007 8:43:59 PM PDT by NorthWoody (A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user. - Theodore Roosevelt)
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