Posted on 09/10/2007 8:01:24 AM PDT by doug from upland
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Not really. How much change has there been in world opinion since Beslan?
Nobody confuses Russia with America, right or wrong.
There was nothing wrong with my response to Clintonfatigued. He came across to me as not caring about the threat that terrorists pose to our schools and as using this topic as an excuse to promote homeschooling. Perhaps he wasn’t guilty of the former but he was certainly was guilty of the latter.
If homeschooling were a practical solution to the terrorist threat, then it would be appropriate to bring it up. But it isn’t. The vast majority of students attend school and are never going to be homeschooled. Therefore, bringing it up in the context of this argument, contributes nothing to it.
No, he didn’t. There was nothing in that response that indicated a callous attitude towards those in schools and what happens to them. That was strictly your own imaginings and a false accusation.
Your comment was not a practical solution to the terrorist threat and therefore no more appropriate. For that matter, many of the comments on this thread don’t fit that category either but you didn’t go after them. That just makes it look like you’re picking a fight, which also has no relevance to this thread.
And it is another reason to homeschool. Too bad if you don’t like it.
That is absolutely right. They are first and foremost cowards. How easy would it be for "our side" to just start blowing ourselves up inside one of their mosques or schools? But we don't stoop to that level. Indeed, parts of our society criticize our military even when they go overboard to protect enemy civilians and those civilians get caught in the crossfire because the cowards are using them as cover.
These people have no honor and I'm afraid that it will take a Beslin event here to force us to pull out all the stops to win this wot.
I may CARE about the fate of those in Darfur or about the criminal excuse for gummint edumakashun in most or all of America or about health care for the poor or about re-educating the former inmates of gummint skewels after they have attained their majority or whatever but, to the extent that I CARE, I will CARE with my own money and not tax you or anyone else to fund the effort. We call this "fiscal conservatism." When we apply it to refusing to fund gummint skewels, we also may call it defense of Western Civilization and of Judaeo-Christian values and with many very good reasons.
One of my kids attends the parent run Catholic school where her mother teaches her and others (unlike gummint skewels it is a place where actual education and lots of it occurs). My kid and my wife are at risk in this enterprise as the school could certainly be attacked. We aren't asking you or anyone else to pay through the nose in taxes to provide special protection to that school. That is our own recognized responsibility and we won't blame you if it doesn't work.
That you have chosen socialized misedumakashun does not make you specially entitled to my tax money to protect your decisions. Home schooled kids are as safe as can be: educationally, morally and physically. All private alternatives to PS 666 are less convenient but our kids are worth it. So are yours but it is your decision.
For the record, it’s very hard to read centered text. Would have been much more readable if left-justified.
I favor Mr. Silverback's approach to terrorists threatening my kids. First, it is my responsibility and not the governnment's or yours or anyone else's. Second, the terrorists who try to harm my kids should consider that they will not have any opportunities to repeat their efforts. Next, it is an acknowledged truism that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. I am not interested in unifying with those so weak that they put their kids in trust to socialist skewels and put them at risk. Next, civility is chronically overused in our society. If the best defense of an idea is that one person's opinion is as good as another's, that notion of the weakest link is back in play.
Paying lip service to the rights of manifest stupidity is not a winning strategy in the WOT.
Neither is gathering school kids in well-advertised gummint indoctrination centers a winning strategy. Urban riots in the 1960s damaged the neighborhoods of the rioters but the rioters lacked the numbers or the insight to seriously attack the decentralized (and often very well-armed) middle class in even the inner suburbs.
Finally, as to "embarrassment", I saw your editorial conclusion but saw no argument as to substance. Is there some actual reason to mince words and play make believe in deference to the socialist skeweling enthusiasts other than "unity" which may be desired but is unlikely to be achieved? I must say that this plea for "unity" sounds like something out of Nixon's second campaign: "Bring us together!!!!" said the little girl's poster as he passed on a train.
I think we need to deal with reality. This is not Oprah or Ellen Degenerate or the MSM.
Okay. I pulled the HTML directly from their site.
if they are like the national guard that hid from the mexicans on the border it won’t matter either way
You sir, are an ignorant ass; determined and destined to remain so.
It will just be the end of time for muslims.
200 years from now:
A kid asks his grandfather...
"Grandpa, what were musselmans?"
Grandpa responds, "Shhhh, it's illegal to use that word, it's banned."
The kid continues to pester him, "does it have anything to do with "islam?"
"Shhh! We can't say that word either."
Kid, "why not?"
"The human race is trying to forget such creatures even existed, where did you hear about them?"
Kid, One of my friends found an old newspaper in their attic."
Grandpa, "well alright, but never speak a word of this to anyone."
"There was a group of what we now call pigs, who made the mistake of attacking and killing many children in America."
"The swine throughout the world started a religious war against the Americans."
The Americans then wiped every living musselman from the earth."
"Our ancestors burned every copy of the book they went by and buried the ashes of the musselmen and their books under a huge pig yard in Kansas."
The musselmans are pretty much forgotten now, just a horrid memory we are trying to completely forget."
"Many of them lived in an area called Porkyland, where we nor have huge oil wells and pig farms."
"People can only stay there a short time due to the radioactivity."
"Now bring me that paper so I can burn it."
I grew up in the South, beginning in the late 40’s, and I did not know a single person who approved of Klan tactics. In fact, I did not meet a Klansman until I was over 40 years old, and he was an ex-Klansman who had quit over 20 years prior. You remind me of Bill O’Reilly, who took a few posts on FR and painted the entire site as racist.
>>>Perhaps you can cite for me the number of Klansmen brought to justice by local authorities before 1960?<<<
Again, I did not know a Klansman prior to 1960. I had heard of them, but I always assumed they were far away from my South Carolina town.
>>>Open racism and not so hidden lynchings happened because the majority of southern whites were OK with it.<<<
Are you Jesse Jackson? You are certainly a race-baiter. As for your ridiculous attempt to re-write history, it is possible that a majority of Southern whites who were born under segregation felt superior to the blacks, if for no other reason than blacks usually were subjugated to menial jobs. But I recall only a few incidents of racism in the form of fighting or obscenity shouting. In fact, whites were far harder on other whites.
In any case, only babbling idiot would declare that a majority of Southern whites were OK with lynchings. That is just downright foolishness.
>>>I’ve lived in the South now for 17 years where there was Jim Crow. I see very little racism by whites, but history is what it is.<<<
History to you is what you make up.
Well its good to hear that you were all apposed to segregation (must have been enacted when no one was looking). Just so you remember the law in S.C. stated that "persons having less than 1/8th Negro blood shall be entitled to full rights of full-blooded whites, provided however that full-blooded whites do not object. . . ." and in South Carolina there were 4 whites and 156 blacks lynched. I'm glad to hear that you didn't know any Klansmen, but I was unable to find a record of anyone being arrested for a lynching.
I assume the people you knew were allowed to vote? Why did they tolerate laws they didn't agree with if they were in the majority? How did they get passed in the first place? What accounts for mob lynchings without anyone seeing anything?
I'm curious, do you think the antebellum South was acceptable of racism, or am I just off the deep end on that too? I don't think the South of today is racist, but to say that it wasn't is willful ignorance. At the very least it required tremendous numbers of good people to do nothing, which is being complicit, which was my original point.
BFL
You are yet another gummint skewel apologist without the capacity to address issues. No surprise there. Unsubstantiated insults do not constitute an argument but you knew that.
What is it that you admire about gummint skewels (and their apologists)? Their hideous cost paid for by taxes? Do you also draw a paycheck from the taxpayers' gummint skewel sush fund? Their leftist propaganda posing as curricula? Their ever-declining test scores? Their obdurate refusal to reform in any way? Their everlasting buck-passing to blame anyone but the incompetent officials and teachers for the constant failure of the gummint skewel experiment? Their pathetic performance in science and math which places our nation at risk?
Instead of singing the Kumbaya chorus, try to address the issues. Holding hands around the campfire and feigning a "unity" that does not exist and probably won't exist is no substitute for sensible action. If that makes me an ignorant ass, so be it but then those qualities must, like beauty, be in the eye of the beholder. Your disapproval will be a credit and not a demerit.
And again, you are very efficient at stating editorial conclusions but woefully short (nonexistent really) on substantive arguments. If conservatism has become that flabby a movement, it is in worse trouble than we think, but I don't think we are a pack of Kumbaya diployakkers yet.
Unless they wanted to stir us up, to ignite a very large war. We're dealing with people who plow airplanes full of people into occupied skyscrapers, people who have already butchered, raped, etc. hundreds of schoolkids, teachers and parents, etc., etc. These are not normal, sane people. To them, "stupid" has a different definition that for normal-thinking Westerners of the early 21st Century.
Heaven help us - because our borders are like a sieve and thousands of the enemy are very likely to already be here.
Did you have blacks in your school? Perhaps a black man who grew up in your little town would have different memories.
Are you Jesse Jackson?
No.
You are certainly a race-baiter.
I baited no one. I stated clear history with no distortion. Racist laws existed and illegal actions were condoned because the majority of people at the time chose to allow it.
As for your ridiculous attempt to re-write history, it is possible that a majority of Southern whites who were born under segregation felt superior to the blacks, if for no other reason than blacks usually were subjugated to menial jobs.
Its possible?! Wow, what a concession.
Segregation didn't always exist. In fact, the Jim Crow laws were passed around 1915, not too long in people years before your idealistic 1940's. To say that people were simply born under segregation is a cop out.
if for no other reason than blacks were subjugated to menial jobs
Who was subjugating blacks? There wasn't a law specifically keeping them from such jobs. What then was the penalty?
I'm not race baiting, I'm ignorance baiting. And I've caught a whopper.
If this should ever happen the world will be changed forever, BY US! Islam will be eradicated!
I could see where they’d provoke and then blame us for some stupid reason. But just like the Afghan warlords who were shaking swords and sticks vowing that they would overcome us, they underestimate us. Osama did when he thought that taking down the Twin Towers would bring us to our knees and destroy the US. They have no concept of our size, might, and resources, or character.
It would indeed get messy. I do think we could prevail, but not without cost.
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