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Mass Slaughter In Our Schools: The Terrorists' Chilling Plan?
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Mass Slaughter In Our Schools: The Terrorists' Chilling Plan?
By Chuck Remsberg
Senior PoliceOne Contributor

Part 1 of 3

Probably the last place you want to think of terrorists striking is your kids' school. But according to two trainers at an anti-terrorism conference on the East Coast, preparations for attacks on American schools that will bring rivers of blood and staggering body counts are well underway in Islamic terrorist camps.

  • The intended attackers have bluntly warned us they're going to do it.
  • They're already begun testing school-related targets here.They've given us a catastrophic model to train against, which we've largely ignored and they've learned more deadly tactics from.

"We don't know for sure what they will do. No one knows the future. But by definition, a successful attack is one we are not ready for," declared one of the instructors, Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. Our schools fit that description to a "T"-as in Terrorism and Threat.

Grossman, the popular law enforcement motivational speaker, and Todd Rassa, a trainer with the SigArms Academy and an advisory board member for The Police Marksman magazine, shared a full day's agenda on the danger to U.S. schools at a recent three-day conference on terrorist issues, sponsored by the International Assn. of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors (IALEFI) in Atlantic City.

They reminded the audience that patrol officers, including perhaps some with their own children involved, will inevitably be the first responders when terrorists hit. And they documented chilling descriptions of the life-or-death challenges that likely will be faced.

In Part 1 of this three-part report on highlights of their presentations we focus on what's
known about the threat to our schools to date, why terrorists have selected them as targets, and what tactics you're likely to be up against in responding to a sudden strike.

In Parts 2 and 3, we'll explore Grossman's and Rassa's recommendations for practical measures you and your agency can take now to get ready, including some defensive actions that don't require any budget allocations.

Why schools? Two reasons:
1. Our values. "The most sacred thing to us is our children, our babies," Rassa said. Killing hundreds of them at a time would significantly "boost Islamic morale and lower that of the enemy" (us). In Grossman's words, terrorists see this effort as "an attempt to defile our nation" by leaving it "stunned to its soul."


2. Our lack of preparation. Police agencies "aren't used to this," Rassa said. "We deal with acts of a criminal nature. This is an act of war," but because of our laws "we can't depend on the military to help us," at least at the outset.

Indeed, Grossman claimed, "the U.S. in the one nation in the world where the military is not the first line of defense against domestic terrorist attacks. By law, you the police officer are our Delta Force. It is your job to go in, while in most other nations cops will wait for the military to come save their kids."

School personnel, Rassa said, "are not even close" to being either mentally or physically prepared. "Most don't even have response plans for handling a single active shooter. Their world is taught to nurture and care for people. They don't want to deal with this."

The American public, "sticking their heads in the sand, can't be mentally prepared," he said. "They're going to freak when it happens," their stubborn denial making the crisis "all the more shocking."

Noting that "sheep have two speeds: 'graze' and 'stampede,'" Grossman predicted that "not a parent in the nation will send their kids to school the next day"-perhaps for many days-after a large-scale terrorist massacre. If day-care centers-"also on the terrorists' list"-are hit as well, "parents will drop out of the work force" en masse to protect their children and "our economy will be devastated."

How we know they're coming.
Al-Qaeda has publicly asserted the "right" to kill 2,000,000 American children, Rassa explained, and has warned that "operations are in stages of preparation" now. He played vivid videotapes confiscated in Afghanistan, showing al-Qaeda terrorists practicing the takeover of a school. The trainees issue commands in English, rehearse separating youngsters into manageable groups and meeting any resistance with violence. Some "hostages" are taken to the rooftop, dangled over the edge, then "shot."

"Any place that has given [Islamic terrorists] trouble, they've come after the kids," Grossman said. Muslim religious literature, according to Rassa, states clearly that the killing of children not only is "permitted" in Islam but is "approved" by Mohammed, so long as the perpetrators "are striving for the general good" as interpreted by that religion.

He cited instances in Indonesia where girls on their way to school have been beheaded and in other countries where children have been shot, mutilated, raped or burned alive.

In this country this year ['06], Rassa said, there have been several school bus-related incidents involving Middle Eastern males that raise suspicion of terrorist activity. These include the surprise boarding of a school bus in Florida by two men in trench coats, who may have been on a canvassing mission, and the attempt in New York State by an Arab male to obtain a job as a school bus driver using fraudulent Social Security documents. The latter gave an address in Detroit, home to a large colony of fundamentalist Muslims.

Rassa claimed that floor plans for half a dozen schools in Virginia, Texas and New Jersey have been recovered from terrorist hands in Iraq.

The terrorists' tactical model.
A "dress rehearsal for what terrorists plan to do to us" has already taken place, Rassa and Grossman agreed. That was the brutal takedown in 2004 of a school that served children from 6 to 17 years old in Beslan, Russia.

Some 100 terrorists were involved, nearly half of whom were discreetly embedded in the large crowd of parents, staff and kids who showed up for the first day of school; the rest arrived for the surprise attack in SUVs, troop carriers and big sedans. Across a three-day siege, 700 people were wounded and 338 killed, including 172 youngsters.

If a similar assault were launched against a school in your jurisdiction, how would you and your agency respond? Consider this modest sampling of challenges that were deliberately planned or arose from the ensuing chaos at Beslan, as outlined by Rassa:

  • The school was chosen because it was one of the taller buildings in the area and had a very complicated floor plan, making a rapid and effective counter-assault by responders extremely difficult. Offender weaponry included AK-47s, sniper rifles, RPGs and explosives, with everything the terrorists needed carried in on their backs. RPGs were fired at a responding military helicopter and at troops.

  • More than 1,000 men, women and children, including babies, were penned in an unventilated gym and a cafeteria. As the days passed without food or water and inside temperatures rose to 115 degrees, survivors were eating flowers they'd brought for teachers and fighting for urine to drink out of their shoes in desperation. Women and some children were repeatedly and continuously raped.
    * Adult males and larger male students were used as "forced labor" to help fortify the building, then shot to death. Bodies were thrown out of an upper-story window, down onto a courtyard. Attempts at negotiation by responders were used by the terrorists strictly as an opportunity to buy time to solidify their fortifications.

  • Surviving hostages were surrounded by armed guards standing on deadman switches, wired to explosives. All entrances to the building as well as stairwells and some interior doorways were booby-trapped. Youngsters were forced to sit on window sills to serve as shields for snipers. "Black widows" (potential suicide bombers) were rigged so their bomb belts could be detonated by remote control when leaders considered the timing was right. The terrorists stayed cranked up on some type of amphetamine to keep awake.

  • Armed, outraged parents and other civilians, some of them drunk, showed up and started "rolling gunfights" outside in a futile effort to defeat the takeover. The crowd identified one embedded terrorist and "literally ripped him apart." The media was everywhere, unrestrained. So many people were milling around that responders often could not establish a clear field of fire.

  • When troops finally stormed the school in a counter-assault on the third day, "pure pandemonium" reigned. Soldiers and the kids they were trying to rescue were gunned down mercilessly. Explosions touched off inside started multiple fires.

  • Responders who made it inside had to jump over trip wires as they "ran" up stairs under fire from above. By then terrorists were holding hostages in virtually every room. Rescue teams were subjected to continual ambushes. Gunfights occurred predominately within a 6-ft. range, with some responders having to fight for their lives in places so cramped they couldn't get off their hands and knees.

  • Some children successfully rescued from the building were so crazed by thirst that they ran to an outdoor spigot and were killed by a grenade as they filled their hands with water.

  • Terrorists who escaped during the melee ran to homes of embedded sympathizers who hid them successfully and were not immediately suspected because they were considered "non-strangers" in the community. Some townspeople who volunteered to help as stretcher bearers for the injured were, in fact, embedded terrorists.

  • During the siege "at least four people or agencies claimed to be in charge. Actually, no one was in charge and no one wanted to be."

"Osama bin Laden has promised that what has happened in Russia will happen to us many times over," Grossman warned. "And Osama tries very hard never to lie to us."

What's likely here.
Probably not so many terrorists involved at a single location. Moving that big a contingent into place would likely attract too much attention and thwart the attack. Grossman describes a more likely possibility, in his opinion:

Terrorist cells of four operatives each might strike simultaneously at four different schools. They may pick elementary schools, or middle schools with no police officers on site, where the girls are "old enough to rape" but students are not big enough to fight back effectively.

The targets may be in states "with no concealed-carry laws and no hunting culture" and in communities where "police do not have rifles." Rural areas could be favored, where 30 minutes or more might be required for responders to arrive in force.

The attackers will probably "mow down every kid and teacher they see" as they move in to seize the school. They may plant bombs throughout the buildings, and "rape, murder and throw out bodies like they did in Russia." Emergency vehicles responding and children fleeing will be blown up by car bombs in the parking lot.

In all, 100 to 300 children could be slaughtered in a first strike.

Terrorists capable of this are already embedded in communities "all over America," Grossman and Rassa agreed. More will probably gain entry surreptitiously from Mexico, making southern California potentially a prime target.

No time for despair.
It's a grim picture, for certain. "But if we think there's nothing we can do to prepare, that is a defeatist mentality," Rassa said. "We ought to be trying. If we're not trying, we're failing. We may as well give up our guns and surrender now.

"I can't think of a better thing to train up for than protecting our kids. If we try but fall short, look at how much else we'll still be able to handle than we can now.

"What made most of us do active-shooter training? The killings at Columbine. Are we going to wait for something far worse than that before we do the most that we can to stop the terrorists who are coming for our schools?"

Part 2 of 3

"4 Ds" For Thwarting Terrorists' Plans To Massacre Our School Children
[Editor's Note: In Part 1, we documented the plans of Islamic terrorists to strike U.S. schools in murderous raids, claiming the lives of hundreds of children, as reported at a recent anti-terrorism conference, sponsored by the International Assn. of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors (IALEFI). In Part 2, we summarize countermeasures proposed by one of the conference instructors, Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, author of the popular books On Killing and On Combat.]

As Instructor Todd Rassa pointed out in our first installment, if we are not trying to prepare for and thwart the daunting terrorist threat to our schools and children, we are, in effect, conceding defeat and surrendering without a battle to those who would obliterate us.

There is no simple master plan for an easy victory. But the cumulative effect of many seemingly small countermeasures, effectively applied on a large scale by individual officers and their agencies, can have a powerful impact.

Here are some of the practicalities that Trainer Dave Grossman suggested we consider in beginning to address the critical problem of terrorists coming for our kids.

First mission.
That's overcoming denial. And where schools and terrorist attacks are concerned, denial abounds.

U.S. schools continue to take extensive and overt measures to guard students against the threat of fire, with drills, alarms, sprinkler systems, building codes, etc.-even though there has not been a single child killed by fire in any American school in the last 25 years, Grossman declared.

In contrast, well over 200 deaths have occurred from school violence by active shooters and other non-terrorist offenders over the last dozen years, and Islamic fundamentalists are believed to be plotting attacks that will claim hundreds of child casualties in a single blow. Yet efforts to significantly harden schools as a target of violence have, for the most part, been slow, timid or nonexistent.

"We need to treat the threat of violence like the threat of fire. But if you try to prepare for violence, people think you're crazy, paranoid," Grossman said.

"Denial is the enemy. It's a big, fluffy white blanket we pull up over our eyes to convince ourselves the bad men are never going to come. And while we pull that blanket up, bad guys come and kick us in the crotch.

"Let's face the lessons terrorists have already taught us in blood and lives. They are coming, and they may well come for our schools, our kids. We've had all the warning in the world. And if we continue living in denial, then all the lives they've claimed to date have been sacrificed for nothing."

Grossman's 4 Ds.
Besides working to eliminate the big D (denial), Grossman cited four others we need to focus on:

1. Deter
An armed police presence in a school can provide strong deterrence against attack, Grossman argued. "Terrorists are willing to die, but they desperately don't want to die for nothing, without completing their tactical objective. They want a body count."

To squelch would-be attackers, many Israeli schools deploy on-site police at squad-level strength, and armed guards accompany all class fieldtrips, usually one per 10 students. But even with a single armed officer in a school, "the prospects of a massacre go way down," Grossman said.

Having unarmed security in or around schools is both pointless and ethically derelict, in his opinion. "Don't give someone responsibility for human lives and not give them the tools to do the job. You wouldn't give a firefighter just a hat, uniform and badge, and no hose or water."

Should teachers be armed? At least two states (Utah and New Hampshire) now authorize concealed-carry permits in schools, according to Grossman, and the Federal Safe Schools Act allows for it. Faculty with military experience and a willingness to receive additional training could be a starting point.

"Even one or two armed teachers in a school can make a difference," Grossman said. But given the current American mind-set, "you have to push this envelope very gently."

2. Detect
"The ultimate achievement is a terrorist takeover that doesn't start," Grossman said. And officers being suspicious-"doing what cops do"-are well positioned to interrupt attack plans before they culminate.

Follow good criminal patrol procedures on traffic stops, for instance, by asking probing questions and being alert for contradictions, inconsistencies, irrationalities, unduly nervous behavior and other indicators of deceit and guilty behavior. Be aware of what you can see inside vehicles or on subjects that may merit closer investigation.

Watch for signs of static or mobile surveillance of potential targets. Terrorists "always conduct a recon," which may involve photographing or videotaping a prospective site, Grossman said. Don't limit your suspicions just to persons who fit the stereotypical terrorist profile. "There are terrorists who are blond and blue eyed."

Inform schools to report any calls from people inquiring about security. Someone claiming to be a concerned parent wanting to know if any armed officers are on the premises may in fact be an operative gauging the vulnerability of the location. The staffer taking the call should jot down the caller ID number and note the precise time and the phone line the call came in on to facilitate follow up checking by police. "Any time terrorists bounce off a hard target is a chance to catch them."

3. Delay
If terrorists do strike, "one man or woman with effective fire from behind cover inside the school can hold off a group of attackers for 5 minutes," saving lives by buying time until police responders "can get in the door," Grossman claimed.

Meantime, at the first hint of trouble, teachers and children should kick in to a preplanned and frequently rehearsed three-step "lock-down model," he recommended. "Sheltering" children in place, as has been attempted in various school shootings, is more likely to be dangerous than protective. Instead, Grossman advises potential victims to:

  • Move away from violence, which otherwise tends to be "mesmerizing and paralyzing"
  • Move to a pre-selected secure location, someplace "secure enough to keep the bad guys out until the cops come in"
  • Move again if you have reason to feel threatened at that spot. "Lock-down does not mean hunker down and die," Grossman said.

"As a last resort," there may be times when a teacher would need the courage to "go toward an attacker." Grossman cited a case in which an active shooter broke a window in a classroom door and reached through to release the locked knob. Teacher and students cowered inside and just waited, whereas a teacher might have "grabbed a chair and attacked his hand" and possibly have delayed or deterred a fatal assault.

Plans on paper "mean nothing," Grossman reminded. "You have to get the schools to rehearse" anti-terrorist scenarios. "Principals have been fired for not doing fire drills," and yet the terrorist threat these days is so much greater. Where are our priorities?

4. Destroy
As a responding officer, you have to be fully prepared, mentally and physically, to use deadly force to stop the threat. "It is your job to put a chunk of steel in your fist and kill the sons-of-bitches who are coming to kill your kids," Grossman declared in an emotional crescendo in his presentation.

"Fight from the very beginning. Don't wait, thinking you'll fight later." Referring to the terrorist massacre at the school in Beslan, Russia, which we described in Part 1 of this series, Grossman said: "Every minute the Russians waited, the target got harder." If you hesitate in responding, "you'll die with a bullet in the back of your head in front of children."

Part 3 of 3

How To Prepare Yourself For Terrorist Attacks On Our Schools
[Editor's note: In previous installments, we documented the plans of Islamic terrorists to murder hundreds of U.S. school children, as reported at a recent anti-terrorism conference sponsored by the International Assn. of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors (IALEFI), and we summarized counter measures proposed by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman.

In this final report, we explore recommendations of another conference speaker, Todd Rassa, a trainer with the SigArms Academy and a member of the advisory board for The Police Marksman magazine. We conclude with Grossman's suggestions of what LE agencies can do to defend our schools despite current budget restraints.]

Trainer Todd Rassa considers active-shooter training, which is now being embraced by more and more departments, as "a good start," but he warned that much more is needed to adequately protect our children from terrorist attacks on schools.

Here are some of the items he enumerated for a conscientious "to do" list:

Rassa's recommendations.
1. Train every patrol officer in bomb awareness, crowd management, riot control, ballistic shield tactics, team firing drills and other response skills likely to be needed for a mass school takedown. Responsibility for an immediate effective response will most probably fall heavily on street cops, given the activation time for most SWAT teams.

2. Proper equipment needs to be readied. "Patrol rifles are needed now-as many as possible with as much ammunition as possible," Rassa stressed. Also ballistic shields, helmets and other protective devices for every officer. Have a plan in place to get large amounts of additional ammo to the scene ASAP.
Soft body armor may prove inadequate, but extras should be available anyway in a better-than-nothing effort to protect fleeing hostages by draping vests and ballistic blankets over them. Armored transport vehicles may prove crucial. Less-lethal rounds may be useful for crowd control, but will be futile to attempt against terrorists.

3. Work with school officials to anticipate problems and realistically rewrite their emergency plans. "They are not going to fix themselves," Rassa predicted. Cross-train with school personnel and consider involving community leaders with training on crowd-control tactics and intel collection. Manpower and tactics will be needed to handle "outraged, violent parents" if a siege develops.
SROs, who likely will be targeted by terrorists as first casualties, need training on "surveillance awareness, including real-life testing of school security" by would-be invaders.

4. Expand your active-shooter training to include "large, complicated, multi-adversary scenarios and exercises," Rassa urged. Practice against a booby-trapped environment, simultaneous attacks from multiple levels, ambushes from the rear. Rehearse tactics for CQB with both pistol and rifle.
Also practice counter-assaults on school buses. "What if terrorists hijacked a couple of buses and drove them into a school? What if they hijacked several and spread them out across your town?"

5. Incorporate suicide-bomber shooting drills into your firearms training for every officer. That should include "practicing head shots from a distance with a pistol after running." Build the ability to shoot while moving into your qualifications. Also integrate self-defense DT into firearms training-"blending two important worlds that usually never meet." Even consider training with AK-47s and other "exotic" weapons that may be in your property room, on the chance you may have to use the weapons of neutralized terrorists if yours run empty.

6. Thoroughly familiarize yourself with your schools. Videotape them inside and out and collect and review floor plans, making sure they are kept up to date as remodeling projects take place. Work with schools to get classroom numbers put on street signs and mounted on the exterior. Also check to see if computers in your squad cars can be made compatible with CCTV cameras inside the building, so you can tie in to what's going inside in event of trouble.

7. As a parent, you may want to falsify your occupation (as a police office) on school records so your child will not be easily identified as a desirable hostage.

8. And, of course, stage frequent incident-command training and exercises, so multiple jurisdictions and multiple disciplines (fire, police, EMS, city services, etc.) learn the importance of putting political egos and turf wars aside in the interest of saving children's lives.

Agency actions that don't take $$$
Dave Grossman, the well-known author of On Killing and On Combat, concluded IALEFI's excellent conference with suggestions of how LE agencies can improve their protection of schools without further straining already tight budgets.

1. Encourage officers always to carry off-duty. Always.
No one can predict where a given officer might be when terrorists strike. What if you were off-duty on a visit to your child's school; would you have the primary life-saving tool of your profession with you? Remember, Grossman said, "One person behind cover with effective fire can hold down a whole company of invaders for 5 minutes" while help arrives.
" If we stop them dead in one school and kill them before they kill kids, that will convince the country that we can fight back. If they fail in one school, that will undermine their plan.
" If you walk out off-duty without your gun, every time you pass a fire exit or see a fire extinguisher, say to yourself, 'Firefighters have made more preparations than I have.' Plant the seed with other officers. Once you tell them, they can't not think about it."

2. Exploit opportunities to expand your equipment inventory.

  • Many cash-strapped agencies now encourage officers to buy and carry their own rifles on duty. If certain standards and training are maintained, that's a quick way to strengthen your counter-force.

  • Officers should also be encouraged to prepare and ride with "go bags" that can be slung over their shoulder as they head into a crisis. Loaded with backup boxes of pistol and rifle ammo, these can be comforting safeguards against running dry in a firefight, where "three magazines can easily be burned up in less than a minute."

  • Get the name and phone number of every private owner of a helicopter in your area and coordinate with them ahead of time a plan for pressing their chopper into service in an emergency. Even news agencies might be willing to cooperate if promised "great footage" in exchange for transporting officers to a siege site. As medivac helicopters go in, they should come in full of armed police, and go out full of wounded.
    " There will be gridlock chaos on the ground within moments wherever an attack comes," Grossman said. "Helicopters can be great for getting firepower in and wounded out." Practice hovering over schools and landing personnel on the flat roofs that most have.

  • Envision fire hoses as "crew-served weapons." At a terrorist scene, hoses can be used not only "to put out fires that may be caused by booby traps" but can also "knock a combatant out of a window 50 yards away-an incredibly effective weapon."
    A firefighter directing the hose can be protected behind two officers holding ballistic shields and two officers behind the shields with rifles, Grossman suggested. Obviously, this tactic requires practice well before it's needed.

3. Build the right mind-set in your troops.
As a police officer, "you have to have your heart and mind ready," Grossman said. "In our nation, the military is not coming to save your kids. You are the Delta Force. It's your job to go in like thunder when they come to kill your kids and destroy your way of life.
" Get training-all you can. Advance steadily along the warrior path. Live life in Condition Yellow, vigilant readiness. Cultivate hobbies that reinforce your survival skills."
He conjured a bumper sticker that says, Piss on golf. Real Americans go to the range. "We don't have time for childish pursuits," he declared.
" Most people in our society are sheep. Wolves will feed on them without hesitation. Anyone who thinks there are no wolves is in denial.
" You are the sheepdog, the protector. When bad stuff comes, the sheepdog is prepared, even eager. If you are not ready, who is?"

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About Charles Remsberg
Chuck co-founded the original Street Survival Seminar and the Street Survival Newsline, authored three of the best-selling law enforcement training textbooks, and helped produce numerous award-winning training videos. His nearly three decades of work earned him the prestigious O.W. Wilson Award for outstanding contributions to law enforcement and the American Police Hall of Fame Honor Award for distinguished achievement in public service.



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To: Tao Yin

I’m reading The Looming Tower by Lawrence Wright. It’s an historical account of Al Qaeda and the road to 9/11.

Really gets you inside of their heads.

bin Laden wanted to get America into a war. Why the dems don’t get it, i don’t understand.

denial.


281 posted on 09/10/2007 10:55:12 PM PDT by bethtopaz (Al Gore didn't invent the Internet, but he did make up Global Warming.)
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To: doug from upland

It’s always fascinated me how the Muslim religion can inspire acts of martyrdom like suicide bombers, yet the frontline “warriors” are essentially cowards, attacking women and children and skulking in the shadows - when confronted head on by an organized and trained military, they are wiped out quickly. I have no doubt if our guys and gals in Iraq were allowed to truly hunt the savages, the war would have been over for a while now.

What scares me is the upcoming election. If a Dem should win, and God forbid it’s Hillary...imagine her response if they pulled a wide-scale, coordinated attack on schools. It’d take a week just for a Hillary! whitehouse to even admit it’s terror related!

By the time a Dem controlled White House reacted to such an event, the events would be over, and there would be mobs in the streets attacking mosques and anyone even remotely Middle Eastern, and I can fully see the likes of Hillary ordering troops to fire on Americans to end the attacks.

The horror of attacks on schools goes far beyond the loss of children, as horrible and as sick as the mere thought is.

I think the terrorists know of the deep, deep, dark divide people like the Clinton’s and Kennedy’s have created in our society, and will play all sides against each other. They miscalculated our response with 9-11, but it was a response guaged against a Democratic White House, not a Republican one - and Hillary/whoever will be far, far, far worse if any national tradgedy occurs, and I think they’re waiting for the change of power. The @ssholes like Pelosi have bet over backwards to cater to those who seek to kill us, and it will come back to haunt us in spades. Pelosi and her ilk will be the first to run to the cameras and declare their innocence and false outrage, and as always, do nothing.

These are dark times.


282 posted on 09/10/2007 11:00:18 PM PDT by ByDesign
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To: SoftballMominVA; BlackElk
If you do, then you are being foolish. Americans are targets wherever we congregate, because we are Americans, not because of how we educate or children, or where we shop, or pass our leisure time. We are all targets, because we are all Americans.

Yes, but the schools are SOFT TARGETS.

Think about an elementary school. How many guns are there. How many security personnel are there? How many veterans and off-duty police officers are walking around inside?

Of course someone could pull off an attack on a mall; it was even planned by a guy here in NW Illinois who was going to attack a mall with a semi-auto pistol and grenades at the height of Christmas shopping last year. But a mall jsut isn't as soft as a school, and we know that terror groups have been caught with school floor plans. And that's if you forget that they've already done it once, at Beslan.

283 posted on 09/10/2007 11:04:14 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
The German punks were given until Sept. 15 to carry out. So we can't just get thru tomorrow and be OK.

I want Petraeus (not tomorrow, but soon someday) to tell us he'll cut 30K off our finest in the ME theatre to come home and go after homeland cells/threats.

284 posted on 09/10/2007 11:04:25 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: My Favorite Headache

“If my son’s school was under attack I would drive right up to it and unload clip after clip after clip after clip into these bastards. If they think parents are going to stand by and let the local police and government negotiate some bullshit response all the while our kids are being raped and shot...they have another thing coming.

Talk about waking a sleeping giant? F-ck with our kids and you will see what a response is like from America. This time..it won’t be the military doing it in a foreign land.”
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Unfortunately, your reaction would be exactly what the enemy is expecting. You say you “would drive right up to it and unload clip after clip after clip after clip into these bastards.” You are not being realistic. I doubt you would make it to the front door of the school before you were killed. Read the chilling details of the Russian school attack. At a public school like my child attends, there would be zero resistance to intruders entering the school and, once inside, they would have complete control of the school in under one minute. Every teacher and administrator would be dead at the will of the intruders and parents like you trying to enter the school to save your child would be mowed down.
I doubt the police would be trying to “negotiate” anything. Every state and local law enforcement agency in your state has probably been made aware that the terrorists in the school are not going to surrender or show mercy. The sole consideration under such an attack will be to kill the attackers before they kill the school occupants.
I understand where you are coming from, but you are being naive if you think you would get anywhere close to the school. As the article very clearly demonstrates, these nutjobs are suicidal and otherwise crazy, but they have already planned on your heroic coming-in for your children.


285 posted on 09/10/2007 11:10:05 PM PDT by BuckeyeForever
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To: bethtopaz

“bin Laden wanted to get America into a war. Why the dems don’t get it, i don’t understand.”

The Dems DO get it, do not ever think they don’t.

It’s not THEIR war, thus they don’t support it.

If Clinton had started the war, there would have been little to no opposition from the elected who now oppose it.

There was ZERO, and I mean ZERO protest when Clinton “invaded” Haiti, or got us involved in a civil war in Eastern Europe, or any other time he ordered troops around.

Remember, during his first inauguration, Joel Silver wrote about discomfort at military jets flying overhead? Then he realized, “Oh, their OURS now!”, and was okay with them.

THAT is the true mindset of the Democratic party.

Trust me, if that @sshole Hillary gets elected, within six months they will “discover” terrorists are BAD! Who knew? Wow, what a trip!

And they will proceed to do a 180 on everything they have said and done since Bush was elected. It’s all been payback for impeachment, and the usual “MINE MINE MINE” attitude of liberals.

It’s not THEIR war. Pay for it? Pfffft. Fight it? Riiiiight. Let Bush sink in the polls, who cares. As long as it doesn’t effect my election donations and kick-backs and bribes, YAWN.


286 posted on 09/10/2007 11:10:24 PM PDT by ByDesign
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To: 2banana

You’ve seen our police response to a couple of armed children invading a school?


287 posted on 09/10/2007 11:15:29 PM PDT by GregoryFul (how'd that get there?)
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To: Eaker
How much has your homeschooling done to prevent things like 9/11?

Have you lost your mind? What the heck would home schooling (or private schooling, or government schooling) do to prevent someone from driving an airplane into an office building?

The point is that if your kids aren't spending their days at a big fat terror soft target, they'll be safer. Nothing else.

288 posted on 09/10/2007 11:19:22 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: ByDesign

Thanks for the eduction! I mean that!

I really wasn’t paying attention during the 90s.

I’m just beginning to learn about the twin spawn of satan - bill and hillary.


289 posted on 09/10/2007 11:19:42 PM PDT by bethtopaz (Al Gore didn't invent the Internet, but he did make up Global Warming.)
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To: BlackElk; Eaker

Government-run schools screw kids. End of story. If you want to whine at us for saying so, Eaker, then please feel free to also whine at Freepers who tell people not to clean their guns with a round in the chamber.


290 posted on 09/10/2007 11:38:05 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: BuckeyeForever

In situations such as this I am positive I will not be anywhere near sane nor coherent with my son involved. They can get exactly what they want from me. My tagline has said it for months. I’m not going down without a fight and I am certainly not going to let my 7 yr old go down without me fighting for him.

Period.

Naive or not I know I am not alone.


291 posted on 09/10/2007 11:44:36 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (No One Gets To Their Heaven Without A Fight)
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To: SampleMan

>>>Most Southerners were not members of the Klan, but they didn’t go after the Klan, because they felt that despite a few excesses, they generally held the same views.<<<

Do you make just this crazy stuff up, or were you taught it in ACLU-controlled public schools?


292 posted on 09/10/2007 11:45:24 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau (John Bolton for President!)
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To: txflake

People don’t like to hear this, but I think a byproduct of the war in Iraq is that it’s a kill zone the size of California. Many of the jihadis would rather fight the infidel in Iraq and die gloriously then come to the U.S., sit around waiting for orders and possibly get arrested.

It’s like a roach motel: Terrorists check in, but they don’t check out. Meanwhile, it greatly diminishes the pool AQ has available for strikes here.


293 posted on 09/10/2007 11:46:04 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: doug from upland

The ideology of the muslim cult is totally incompatible with Western traditions and mores. The sooner we get that into our thick, brainwashed skulls, the sooner we will kick all muslims out of our country.


294 posted on 09/10/2007 11:49:31 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau (John Bolton for President!)
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To: BuckeyeForever; My Favorite Headache

The terrorists might also be counting on parents to gather near the scene, at which point the second team comes in with the car bombs.


295 posted on 09/10/2007 11:55:25 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: BlackElk; Eaker; ejonesie22; Petronski
BlackElk, some of the previous exchanges seemed to be drifting from the original (and for many a highly important) topic of the potential for terrorists targeting schools and similar high-value "soft" targets. Upon further reading and pondering, the above conversation has highlighted several issues that are pertinent to our capacity for common defense as a nation, one of which is our unity, or lack thereof.

I applaud your efforts to improve the educational opportunities for your children. I am a strong advocate for parental choice, homeschooling, private schooling, etc., and have had my complaints about the monopoly control enjoyed by the public education bureaucracy. That said, your dialogue is embarrassing to other homeschoolers, and in due time, will also be embarrassing to you.

One great thing about the internet is that it has provided channels for communication between millions of individuals that never previously existed. One downside is that whatever we write today, regardless of motivation or level of passion, will be publicly available probably forever, or longer than most of us will be around. If we ponder this for just a little while, we should find some incentive to express ourselves with as much clarity and civility as we can muster.

I have no doubt that many words written and spoken prior to the Revolutionary War disappeared into the dustbin of history. The speeches and writings that mattered most have been preserved, studied, memorized, memorialized, repeated, copied, and reused ad infinitum. The reasons are obvious.

'Nuff said. Now back to the topic of unity in response to terrorism...

296 posted on 09/11/2007 1:53:05 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: RockinRight

“Muslims in the US will see just what a ‘well regulated militia’ is as an army of Nascar dads comes at them fullo loaded...”

No kidding.


297 posted on 09/11/2007 3:03:54 AM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: ByDesign
It's always fascinated me how the Muslim religion can inspire acts of martyrdom like suicide bombers, yet the frontline "warriors" are essentially cowards, attacking women and children and skulking in the shadows...

Cry allah akbar and let slip the hyenas of war?

298 posted on 09/11/2007 3:12:27 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: doug from upland
Revenge is a dish best served ice cold.
My comments as towards the Islamic cultists cannot be posted here but however is plainly understood
299 posted on 09/11/2007 3:19:43 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: doug from upland

Beck has a tape for a training camp in Afghanistan. They are training to take over elementary schools. They issue commands in English. When parents respond to the massacre, they blow them up with car bombs. It is all captured on TV.
= = =

INDEED.

and the likes of Shrillery and her NWO goons and puppet masters are licking their blood thirsty power mongering chops at the prospect of all the bloody mayhem and the added gestapo, tyrannical, martial law maneuvers it will afford them toward the global tyrannical government.

MAY God have mercy on us and cause all the Jihadi’s and their NWO puppet masters to fall in the pit they have dug in massive numbers BEFORE they can cause death and destruction to others.


300 posted on 09/11/2007 3:51:42 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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