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"Neo-Con" Do You Qualify?
PC Free News ^ | September 4, 2007 | JB Williams

Posted on 09/04/2007 11:50:38 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican

The most popular political slur of our time is the term "neocon." Politically engaged people of several ideologies use the term regularly and although they mean different things when they use it, the term is always intended to be an insult, like the terms "neo-Nazi," and "fascist," also favorite slurs of the same ilk using "neocon." I was first called a “neocon” by known Democratic Socialists upset by my writings in favor of America’s founding principles, Life, individual Liberty and the right to pursue Happiness in a free market society where all things are possible through individual achievement and reward.

Since Democratic Socialists believe in and support Death not Life (abortion), a Greater Communal Good - not Individual Rights and the right to take from achievers via progressive taxation - not the right to live free, earn and retain wealth by the sweat of one’s own brow, I took the term “neocon” as a compliment.

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The hate mail I have received from Ron Paul supporters reads just like the hate mail I have always received from Marxists around the globe and across the aisle. It’s hate-filled overtly angry foul mouthed and threatening rhetoric that reads like it was written by anti-Semitic skin-heads on crack. I doubt that even Ron Paul would be proud of how his supporters behave…

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatism; elections; libertarian; neocons; neoisolationist; ronpaul
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Romney should be running as a Democrat or Independent too, IMHO.


81 posted on 09/04/2007 12:39:13 PM PDT by jdm
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Damn, there you go again, hitting their truth with the facts...

Gotta hate that...


82 posted on 09/04/2007 12:39:14 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

What else can one expect from the StaliDems, than a smear campaign that turns into “re-education” pogroms?


83 posted on 09/04/2007 12:40:39 PM PDT by DGHoodini
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To: Alberta's Child

Not this one. The whole point of the nation building is to keep those people from flooding our borders.


84 posted on 09/04/2007 12:41:34 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Do I qualify? Nah! I don’t even know what the hell “Neo-Con” means!


85 posted on 09/04/2007 12:42:24 PM PDT by Don Carlos (No 8 Do)
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To: PlainOleAmerican; billbears
Ron Paul had legitimate reasons for voting the way he did on the issues you mentioned

To quote the late, great Joey Ramone:
..If there's one thing that makes me sick it's when someone tries to hide behind politics..

Ron Paul can talk all day about how he has Constitutional reasons for voting against things like strengthened border security and preventing someone from taking a minor across State lines for an abortion, but the fact is, at the end of the day, his vote makes a difference if the borders are more secure or if abortions are reduced. His little speeches on his twisted view of the Constitution do nothing to end abortion or make us more secure. They are just words to appease Conservatives and hope they ignore his actual votes.

86 posted on 09/04/2007 12:44:49 PM PDT by mnehring (If there's one thing that makes me sick it's when someone tries to hide behind politics- Joey Ramone)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Is that supposed to be Jack Handy, Deep Thoughts or something?


87 posted on 09/04/2007 12:45:32 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: Hacklehead
Case in point . . .

Get yourself a bunch of back issues of Kristol's Weekly Standard publication, and look through them for either of the following:

1. An article or editorial in support of the Second Amendment; or
2. An article or editorial in favor of an originalist interpretation of the U.S. Constitution.

For a publication that is supposedly "conservative," the lack of anything related to these two points is pretty remarkable.

The support of so many people in the neo-conservative movement for a Republican candidate like Rudy Giuliani pretty much says it all, don't you think?

88 posted on 09/04/2007 12:47:52 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Don Carlos; PlainOleAmerican
Do I qualify? Nah! I don’t even know what the hell “Neo-Con” means!

Well...let self-described neoconservative leaders do it for you:

Irving Kristol (the Godfather of Neoconservatism) wrote a book entitled Neoconservatism: the Autobiography of an Idea. In it he described neoconservatism as:

It describes the erosion of liberal faith among a relatively small but talented and articulate group ... (which gradually gained more recruits) toward a more conservative point of view: conservative but different in certain respects from the conservatism of the Republican party. We ... accepted the New Deal in principle, and had little affection for the kind of isolationism that then permeated American conservatism.

In 1983, Kristol wrote:

A conservative welfare state is perfectly consistent with the neoconservative perspective.

Or take the words of Irving's son, Bill Kristol:

Are we willing to say that the country is worse off because of FDR or JFK or LBJ? I'm not willing to say that.

Irving Kristol again on neoconservatism:

Its 20th-century heroes tend to be TR, FDR, and Ronald Reagan. Such Republican and conservative worthies as Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Dwight Eisenhower, and Barry Goldwater are politely overlooked

You can call the prevailing philosophy of the Republican party in 2007 "neoconservatism"...or "mainstream conservatism"...it really doesn't matter what you call it...what it represents is something very different than what the Republican party through much of the 20th century represented.

Certainly, it does not represent a smaller federal government...with "conservative" Republicans at the helm from 2000-2006, we have seen a faster expansion of the federal welfare state than we have since the Great Society. Conservatives' (back to the Founding Fathers) old concerns about a warfare state with all its accompanying corruption and war profiteering and centralization of power is of little concern to conservatives today...and, again, I think that is the influence of neoconservatism.

My own definition of neoconservatism is a political philosophy that is based on, what Fred Barnes called "big government conservatism"...advocacy of modern-day New Deal-type domestic policies and an internationalist, interventionist foreign policy.

89 posted on 09/04/2007 12:55:55 PM PDT by uxbridge
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To: billbears
I can't imagine this Williams fellow is so important that anyone cares enough to send him hate mail.

Who uses mail anyway?

BTW, did you notice the KOSsacks are running a pick-your-candidate poll? Yeah, ol' Guess-Who is currently ahead with 52% of the vote (someone tipped off the Paulian Horde apparently).
90 posted on 09/04/2007 12:57:53 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Darn, my last tagline was a Snopesish quote, now I got no tagline.)
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To: mnehrling
Ron Paul can talk all day about how he has Constitutional reasons for voting against things like strengthened border security and preventing someone from taking a minor across State lines for an abortion

Do you know what bills those were? Thanks

91 posted on 09/04/2007 12:58:01 PM PDT by uxbridge
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Dittos.

I'd say that most neo-cons are for using the military to intervene in foreign countries where they pose a threat to the U.S. and then sticking around after wards to rebuild. I can understand the Paleo-cons isolationist attitude, but in today's world, I don't want to see a repeat of the Afghanistan fiasco where the Taliban & AQ filled the vacuum left by the retreating Russians. The biggest problem with nation-building is that we let the U.N. interfere. The U.N. needs to go. I'd love to see the U.N building in NYC torn down and a giant super WalMart with a mega-plex theater and a few Starbucks take it's place.

Also, I'm all for a double wall & trench along our southern border, not because I hate immigrants from the south, but because of the obvious security issues.

As far as the 2nd amendment goes, "Molon Laveh".

Proud to be a Neo-Con!!!

92 posted on 09/04/2007 1:00:35 PM PDT by Left2Right ("Democracy isn't perfect, but other governments are so much worse")
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To: uxbridge
To start out with some of the border security bills (& amnesty bills):

(1) Votes against putting the Military on the border
2006: H. Amdt. 206 to H.R. 1815
2004: Goode Amendment to H.R. 4200
2003: Goode Amendment to H.R. 1588
2002: H. Amdt. 479 to H.R. 4546
2001: Traficant amendment to HR 2586
2000: Traficant amendment to H.R.4205
1999: Trafficant Amendment to H.R. 1401.
(2) Paul voted in 1997, 2001( H.R. 1885) and 2002 (H RES 365) to grant, extend or continue Section 245-i amnesties for illegal aliens.
(3) Paul voted NO on extending the voluntary Basic Pilot Workplace Verification Program (H.R. 2359),
(4) Paul voted NO on the border fence in 2005 (Hunter Amendment to HR 4437 - “Enforcement Only” Bill).
(5) Paul voted YES to increase H2-B (HR 763 in 2005) and H-1B visas (HR 3736 in 1998). In 1998, he voted to allow US firms to lay off Americans to replace them with foreigners.
93 posted on 09/04/2007 1:02:18 PM PDT by mnehring (If there's one thing that makes me sick it's when someone tries to hide behind politics- Joey Ramone)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
More evidence of insanity in the Ron Paul camp!

"The hate mail I have received from Ron Paul supporters reads just like the hate mail I have always received from Marxists around the globe and across the aisle."

Evidence of insanity, to be sure. I think you're a little confused about who's sanity is coming up short on the dipstick.

94 posted on 09/04/2007 1:04:12 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: uxbridge
Some of his votes against limiting or restricting abortion:

(1)Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act; Bill HR 748 ; vote number 2005-144 on Apr 27, 2005
(2)Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. Unborn Victims of Violence Act; Bill HR 1997 ; vote number 2004-31 on Feb 26, 2004
(3)Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. Human Cloning Prohibition Act; Bill HR 534 ; vote number 2003-39 on Feb 27, 2003
(4)Voted NO on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. Bill sponsored by Graham, R-SC; Bill HR 503 ; vote number 2001-89 on Apr 26, 2001
(5)Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. Bill sponsored by Ros-Lehtinen, R-FL; Bill HR 1218 ; vote number 1999-261 on Jun 30, 1999

95 posted on 09/04/2007 1:05:20 PM PDT by mnehring (If there's one thing that makes me sick it's when someone tries to hide behind politics- Joey Ramone)
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To: Vaquero

No “neo” here, either. I want the Old Deal back.


96 posted on 09/04/2007 1:07:17 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: uxbridge
Those last two posts are just the start for Paul. There is a reason why OnTheIssues rates him a moderate Libertarian, to the left of even Rudy.

After all, votes are what counts, rhetoric just puts more CO2 in the air. :->

97 posted on 09/04/2007 1:10:01 PM PDT by mnehring (If there's one thing that makes me sick it's when someone tries to hide behind politics- Joey Ramone)
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To: uxbridge

Political realities on the ground have changed in the latter half of the 20th century. The American and global left shifted the center aided by several factors including demographics, perceptions of greed, and control over information. One can rail and one can complain, but the fact remains that sticking to one’s view in the face of change is a recipe for defeatat the polls. To win in any endeavor over the longer term one needs allies.


98 posted on 09/04/2007 1:10:24 PM PDT by HockeyPop
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To: billbears

“Come now Mr. Williams, let’s see a sample shall we? “

Here is an example:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1863700/posts?page=166#151

In this example, a Ron Paul supporter (named billbears) labels me as an ‘imperialist’ for expressing support American efforts in Iraq. I tried questioning him on this term, but he was unwilling to explain his insult. And then after he tried to spew a bunch of anti-war BS, the coward runs and hides from debate.


99 posted on 09/04/2007 1:12:27 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: mnehrling

How many of those bills claimed the New Deal “substantial effects” invocation of Commerce Clause athority to enact the legislation?


100 posted on 09/04/2007 1:15:54 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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