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"Neo-Con" Do You Qualify?
PC Free News ^ | September 4, 2007 | JB Williams

Posted on 09/04/2007 11:50:38 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican

The most popular political slur of our time is the term "neocon." Politically engaged people of several ideologies use the term regularly and although they mean different things when they use it, the term is always intended to be an insult, like the terms "neo-Nazi," and "fascist," also favorite slurs of the same ilk using "neocon." I was first called a “neocon” by known Democratic Socialists upset by my writings in favor of America’s founding principles, Life, individual Liberty and the right to pursue Happiness in a free market society where all things are possible through individual achievement and reward.

Since Democratic Socialists believe in and support Death not Life (abortion), a Greater Communal Good - not Individual Rights and the right to take from achievers via progressive taxation - not the right to live free, earn and retain wealth by the sweat of one’s own brow, I took the term “neocon” as a compliment.

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The hate mail I have received from Ron Paul supporters reads just like the hate mail I have always received from Marxists around the globe and across the aisle. It’s hate-filled overtly angry foul mouthed and threatening rhetoric that reads like it was written by anti-Semitic skin-heads on crack. I doubt that even Ron Paul would be proud of how his supporters behave…

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatism; elections; libertarian; neocons; neoisolationist; ronpaul
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To: death2tyrants

LOL, that wasn’t hateful was it now? Truthful perhaps but not hateful in the sense Mr. Williams claims. As for my comments, history will prove me correct. I saw no need to continue a useless banter with someone whose views are based simply on faith in a nation and not on historical fact.


121 posted on 09/04/2007 1:34:31 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: boop

Some are more anti-semitic than they are anti-Christian.

What they have in common is that they hate the Judaeo-Christian value system that our country is based on, because the lot of them are a bunch of kooks and misfits that will LOSE if made to play by the rules inherent in our culture.


122 posted on 09/04/2007 1:34:34 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: tacticalogic
I forgot that Thomas.gov uses a temporary cache for all links, but it only took a second to verify that phrase wasn’t cited in at least the first two (haven’t gotten to the others yet.)
123 posted on 09/04/2007 1:36:09 PM PDT by mnehring (If there's one thing that makes me sick it's when someone tries to hide behind politics- Joey Ramone)
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To: mnehrling
That may be an excuse Paul claims to hide behind, but what is the result of a NO vote?

If it's an abuse of the Commerce Clause, then Congress doesn't have any business doing it. The result of a NO vote is to help prevent it.

124 posted on 09/04/2007 1:36:42 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
but once presented with evidence

What evidence?!? It's one email!!! So you would label all those who support Dr. Paul because of that one email? Mighty wide brush you Republicans use these days.

BTW, a vitriolic email from one person in no way discounts Dr. Paul's, a Constitutional and historically based, stance. Or do we now label all conservatives racist because there are some within the Republican ranks that are racist? By your standard we should...

125 posted on 09/04/2007 1:37:26 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: mnehrling

Under what enumerated power of the Constitution is Congress claiming the authority for this legislation?


126 posted on 09/04/2007 1:37:50 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Back during the “New Deal” days, one of FDR’s judges made the statement that

a man growing his own wheat, on his own land, for his own use,
was subject to federal regulation through the interstate commerce clause because if he wasn’t growing it himself, he would have to engage in interstate commerce to obtain it.

The left uses this “logic” to justify every unconstitutional policy. As a matter of fact, you would be hard pressed to find a leftist policy that IS Constitutional, in the original intent.


128 posted on 09/04/2007 1:39:23 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: tacticalogic
The problem is abuses of the commerce clause in relation to commission of crimes across State lines is that it is up to a matter of interpretation as to what crosses the line in abusing the commerce clause. I’ve read papers by legal writers on this issue where they contradict themselves 3-4 times as to what constitutes a violation or ‘stepping into’ commerce as an excuse for law enforcement.

The fact is that if a crime occurs across State lines, by today’s laws, it is a federal crime. If you don’t like the interstate justification for federal involvement, go after the root law. Don’t just use it as an excuse to hide behind.

129 posted on 09/04/2007 1:42:34 PM PDT by mnehring (If there's one thing that makes me sick it's when someone tries to hide behind politics- Joey Ramone)
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To: Don Carlos

Neither does anyone else...


130 posted on 09/04/2007 1:43:33 PM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican
Williams's article is a mess. It would be better to criticize the substance of Ron Paul's ideas, rather than to thrash around like this about socialists and nazis.

Some words become common political pejoratives and lose their specific referents. "Neocon" is getting to be like that. It doesn't mean what it did in the 1970s. It doesn't mean the same thing when a socialist and a paleocon use it. Maybe we shouldn't it at all.

But it has become a convenient way of saying "Iraq War Hawk" or now "Iran War Hawk." And no, it's not about the Jews when people use it in that sense today, not unless Cheney and Rumsfeld are Jewish.

131 posted on 09/04/2007 1:43:53 PM PDT by x
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To: TexasCajun

Functionally that’s how ‘neoconservative’ is used.

Properly the word describes former leftists who have become conservatives, especially if they still have a vague nostaligia for some leftist ideas they now recognize to be utterly unworkable. The one really notable person who clearly fits the description ‘neoconservative’ who isn’t Jewish is Michael Novak.

A lot of people fitting that description happen to be Jews, hence the usage of the word among leftists and Buchananites.


132 posted on 09/04/2007 1:46:16 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Tafts Ghost; Tax-chick; fieldmarshaldj; Badeye; MeanWestTexan; Petronski; trisham; NeoCaveman; ...
Tonsor notwithstanding, no one died and left the paleoquislings as the pastor of conservatism. It is hard to be taken seriously when, as paleos always do, a person favors "peace" or surrender to our nation's enemies. The friend of my nation's enemies is my enemy.

I don't ordinarily think of David Frum as any sort of guru but he sure did peg the paleos for what they are and likely will be in his National Review article in April 2003 or 2004. They were and are a group of embarrassing social misfits whom Ronaldus Maximus kept at bay for years until they finally wised up that they were NOT going to be credentialed by an actually conservative administration. Thus, they burst forth in rage at a Mont Pelerin Society meeting in 1986 in a fit of ideological rage. They favor "blood and soil" themes reminiscent of nothing respectable over actual conservative principles and Neville Chamberlain cowardice in foreign policy above all.

Paleos ought to go to the Demonrat Party where they belong with the rest of America's enemies. Perhaps, the slaughter that they and paleoPaulie are about to suffer at the actual caucuses and primaries will convince them. Alternatively, they could lay in a supply of good port, get soused and stay that way. They would be less of an embarrassment if too stewed to venture out in public. The white shoe GOP is no more and a good thing too.

The original neoconservatives (and the only genuine neoconservatives) are now about 90 years old or dead. They became conservatives (somewhat flawed but substantially so) when communists like George McGovern took over the Demonratic Party. Their choices were to change ideologically to some extent and join the GOP or to sit idly by while the reds took over America as well as the Democratic Party. They have proven (Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, Midge Decter, Gertrude Himmelfarb, Sidney Hook, et al.)to be one hell of a lot more valuable and desirable as political allies and activists than the feckless little cowards like paleoPaulie and his friends who root for Al Qaeda against our own country and do Al Qaeda's bidding.

We need to change the terminology to make it more accurate. Other than the actual neoconservatives (quite elderly now), the conservative movement is that of the 1970s New Right, National Review, Weekly Standard, YRs, CRs, YAF and not the faint echoes of the worst of the 1930s whether our domestic quislings who tried to avoid WWII or Central European gummint types who thought their blood ancestors were gods and Jews their disposable enemies (I am a Catholic). That second group in one fashion or another should be known as paleowhatevers because there is NOTHING conservative about them.

Just because various enemies of our country ranging from the leftists of the Nation and New Republic and the pseudo"rightists" of the blood and soil obsessions agree on calling actual conservatives "neoconservatives" does not mean that the paleotail should be allowed to reattach itself much less to wag the dog.

133 posted on 09/04/2007 1:47:10 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: MrB

“The left uses this “logic” to justify every unconstitutional policy.”

The right doesn’t have clean hands, either. The same logic was used against a man growing his own marijuana for his own consumption — thereby affecting interstate commerce in that product, hence federally regulable. This was needed by the Bush administration to overpower laws passed in western states.

FDR started it, but don’t think for a moment conservatives disapprove.

“If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything — and the Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers.” — Justice Clarence Thomas


134 posted on 09/04/2007 1:48:51 PM PDT by gcruse (...now I have to feed the dog as if nothing has happened.)
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To: Vaquero
I handed out pamphlets for Goldwater in '64 as a 15 year old...."

As did Herself, the Cold and Joyless. Where and how did your lives diverge?

Ah, the reason was plain. You probably did not go to Wellesley.

135 posted on 09/04/2007 1:49:03 PM PDT by alloysteel (Never attribute to ignorance that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: Alberta's Child

You need to calm down and recognize reality. This antiAmerican antiwar crapola of paleoPaulie is an attempt to recruit an internal fifth coilumn in the GOP for Hillary’s agenda. That would make it easier for “paleos” to elect her. Rupert Murdoch is our friend. The New York Times and paleoPaulie and paleoanything are our enemies.


136 posted on 09/04/2007 1:49:54 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: mnehrling

Research requires effort.... BS rhetoric is much easier, especially if you use the cue cards from MoveOn.org...


137 posted on 09/04/2007 1:50:30 PM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: Tafts Ghost

Ronald Reagan would laugh at Ron Paul, but I have little doubt that Ron Reagan likes him....


138 posted on 09/04/2007 1:52:56 PM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: billbears

“Truthful perhaps “

How am I an imperialist?


139 posted on 09/04/2007 1:53:29 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Been having too much fun on the We the people thread, you should take a look.


140 posted on 09/04/2007 1:54:33 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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