Don't frighten the horses: What Larry Craig tells conservatives about ourselves.

vanity | September 1, 2007 | Nathanbedford

[cripplecreek]

A public bathroom is private?

[Jeff Head]

The Surpoeme Court did not, and cannot wreck right and wrong. They just condoned and underwrote a wrong...that does not make it right.

[nathanbedford]

I thought I said it was " quasi-private" and "quasi-public"

[nathanbedford]

The Surpoeme Court did not, and cannot wreck right and wrong. They just condoned and underwrote a wrong...that does not make it right.

That's what the segregationists said after Brown V. Board

[toddlintown]

He’s a homo. End of story.

[kinoxi]

They dropped the greater of the charges of him staring into the stall for the lesser charge he pled (not pleaded) guilty to.

[nathanbedford]

He’s a homo. End of story.

No, end of discussion.

[toddlintown]

“No, end of discussion.”

You got that.

[nathanbedford]

I have seen both usages of the past imperfect for, to plead. For example, National Public Radio which I get in my car over here on Armed Forces network uses "pleaded."

The bottom line is they didn't bring a charge on because they didn't have it.

[nathanbedford]

You got that.

No

[Manic_Episode]

This entire situation is a no brainer.

Sex in public is wrong and illegal across the board period.

Law enforcements choices are limited to prevention or prosecution.

I vote for prosecution. Prevention only works until ones back is turned. Prosecution is a far more effective deterrent.

The only hypocrisy is in the politics of jackasses.

[kinoxi]

The bottom line is they didn't bring a charge on because they didn't have it.

He's already pled guilty. This has been adjudicated and done with. I'm not sure 'what' you are defending.

[nathanbedford]

just what did he plead guilty to?

[toddlintown]

If you’re innocent, you plead guilty. I don’t care if the charge was jaywalking.

He might be a senator, but he’s not a rocket scientist. He plead.

[Jeff Head]

Irrespective, the truth still stands, the supreme court is not the final authority on what is right and wrong.

We have activst and in some cases, immoral judges ruling on matters of morality. Morality is the underpinning of our free society.

Sooner or later, the trend will reverse itself...or we will lose more and more of our our freedoms and liberty and the very heritage that made them possible in the first place.

But even that will not change the difference between right and wrong...just our position in relation to it.

[nathanbedford]

He pled guilty to disorderly conduct.

Just what did he do that was so disorderly?

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Third, as conservatives we fear, above all things, intrusive government. We should be wary lest we tolerate government peccadilloes against homosexuals because we are disgusted by them. As conservatives we are rightly or reluctant to turn to the government for solutions to social problems.

Craig violated a local city ordinance. There's no federal law banning solicitation of sex in public restrooms.

I'm as libertarian as they come but sex in public restrooms should be prohibited at the local and state level.

[toddlintown]

Why plead to anything?

[Spok]

Defendants often plead to an amended charge that doesn’t fit the conduct alleged to avoid risking a conviction of the original charge. Since Disorderly Conduct doesn’t have the sexual connection, the senator was sure it would look better than the original solicitation charge. You bring up a good point on the solicitation charge-I know of no solitation charge that doesn’t have an illegal activity as the target of the solicitation. If they could prove he was soliciting public lewdness, it would be a crime. But how do they prove the intent wasn’t to go and get a room? In busting prostitutes, an act and a price have to be verbally confirmed (the crime is sex for money). It seems that the detectives in the airport would have to get an agreement to perform an act in the airport john before there’s a crime. Just the solicitation is inchoate and the supposed target activity may not be criminal at all. The whole sting operation, if it doesn’t result in an agreement to violate the law, may be bogus. I’m a prosecutor and I don’t know the answer, if we’re getting the whole story.