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To: Delacon
Despite all of your cut and paste Blah-blah, you conveniently overlook the Document where all of our uniquely American Ideology comes from. What is that you wonder, here let me break it down for your further edification - THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. Paragraph two specifically states "- and that governments are created by consent of the governed to secure these ends. (These ends being life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness). When a government becomes abusive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter, or abolish it." Or words to that effect. Now if you believe that the Declaration is a null and void document i.e. a one time good deal - then I might point out that you're a prime hypocrit to believe it was okay in 1776 but not ok in 1861. In other words you can't have it both ways. So now you would have to say that America's secession from Great Britain was illegal and we have been in violation of that law for over 200 years. The difference here is that America won its bid for freedom with a rebellion, and the South lost its bid in 1865. But then you support forcing states back into the "Union" at the point of a bayonet - hmmmmmmmmmmm - sounds like a whole lot of freedom to me (/sarcasm).
979 posted on 09/15/2007 11:25:23 AM PDT by Colt .45 (Navy Veteran - Thermo-Nuclear Landscapers Inc. "Need a change of scenery? We deliver!")
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To: Colt .45
Did you read any of my so called cut a pastes? The Declaration is pointed to as a reason that the south’s secession was unconstitutional and illegal and therefore justly suppressed by use of force. The Declaration’s first line is “When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth”. One people. IE only the whole of the people could allow any state to leave the union. Mr. Sandefur goes on to say that revolution is a valid means for any people to reject their govt if their revolution’s goal is to increase liberty amongst the people revolting. He maintains that the south didn’t have a valid claim to being a revolution because it wasn’t done to increase the liberty of the people but to prevent the liberty of a large part of its population, the slaves. In my opinion Mr. Sandefur is a bit off on this point. I think that a revolution is only valid if it succeeds, that all revolutions are illegal until they are over and the revolting peoples have set up a new government whatever it may be. This is certainly true. The worlds governments may support a revolution but can not deny the existing governments legal right to suppress said revolt. Also the worlds governments are constantly recognizing the governments of successful revolutions but have very little to say or can do when a revolution fails other than to put pressure on that government to limit the carnage and if a government suppresses a revolt, it is completely within its rights to mete out punishment as it sees fit.
981 posted on 09/16/2007 6:34:33 AM PDT by Delacon (When in doubt, ask a liberal and do the opposite.)
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To: Colt .45
So you believe that you have the legal right to rebel against the United States government in any configuration you can assemble (your family, your block, your town, your country, or all the left-handers from a tri-state area) and that the government has no right to put down your rebellion. Is that right?

But then you support forcing states back into the "Union" at the point of a bayonet - hmmmmmmmmmmm - sounds like a whole lot of freedom to me (/sarcasm).

Hey, if that's the way you feel about America, feel free to launch a rebellion or leave for some country that suits you better.

992 posted on 09/17/2007 9:28:23 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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