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Did you read any of my so called cut a pastes? The Declaration is pointed to as a reason that the south’s secession was unconstitutional and illegal and therefore justly suppressed by use of force. The Declaration’s first line is “When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth”. One people. IE only the whole of the people could allow any state to leave the union. Mr. Sandefur goes on to say that revolution is a valid means for any people to reject their govt if their revolution’s goal is to increase liberty amongst the people revolting. He maintains that the south didn’t have a valid claim to being a revolution because it wasn’t done to increase the liberty of the people but to prevent the liberty of a large part of its population, the slaves. In my opinion Mr. Sandefur is a bit off on this point. I think that a revolution is only valid if it succeeds, that all revolutions are illegal until they are over and the revolting peoples have set up a new government whatever it may be. This is certainly true. The worlds governments may support a revolution but can not deny the existing governments legal right to suppress said revolt. Also the worlds governments are constantly recognizing the governments of successful revolutions but have very little to say or can do when a revolution fails other than to put pressure on that government to limit the carnage and if a government suppresses a revolt, it is completely within its rights to mete out punishment as it sees fit.

in other words, everybody on these threads should disregard your posts as they are NOTHING MORE than your personal OPINION.

while you are welcome to hold ANY opinion (it's called FREEDOM of speech/expression), may i tell you that yours are about as simplistic & "thought-FREE" as those of "x", the "useful idiot".

free dixie,sw

in other words, everybody on these threads should disregard your posts as they are NOTHING MORE than your personal OPINION.

while you are welcome to hold ANY opinion (it's called FREEDOM of speech/expression), may i tell you that yours are about as simplistic & "thought-FREE" as those of "x", the "useful idiot".

free dixie,sw

You see, all of your yammering is about governmental power. The Declaration stated that the SEAT of power is "THE PEOPLE" and that governments are created by consent only. It further states that governments are endowed with "just" powers (just means limited)in order to secure life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. What you propose is that the government has to say it is okay for a State or party to leave a "voluntary" union. That is where your assertions go astray. The Founders never intended for the Federal government to be all powerful, hence they put the Bill of Rights on the Constitution, Read Amendment 9 and 10. Show me where it states the government has all power.

By the way, Article 5 of the Constitution says nothing about state sovereignty or anything along the lines of your last post.