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Record number of people leave UK
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Posted on 08/22/2007 2:43:12 PM PDT by britemp

More people left the UK last year than in any year since current records began in 1991, statistics show. Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) indicate that some 385,000 people left the UK for the long term in the year to mid-2006.

Many of those leaving were "long-term migrants" and not British citizens.

Long-term migration into the UK, meanwhile, was 574,000. The figures show the UK population grew to 60,587,000 - an increase of 349,000.

'Turnover population'

Of those who left the UK last year, 196,000 were British citizens while 189,000 were "long-term migrants" who had been living in the UK for more than a year.

And according to the Migration Research Unit at University College London, it is the number of non-Britons, or the "turnover population", that has pushed up the figures for those leaving.

See map of most popular destinations "The majority of those are people who came in from Eastern European countries in May 2004 - what we call the A8 countries - and I think what the figures suggest is that, maybe we're now capturing more of those people going home [in the statistics]," Professor John Salt told BBC Radio 4's PM programme.

The latest figures available from the ONS for the most popular places among emigrating Britons show that [from January 2004 to December 2005] Australia was the number one choice.

TOP TEN EMIGRATION COUNTRIES FOR UK CITIZENS - 2004 & 2005 Australia - 71,000 Spain - 58,000 France - 42,000 New Zealand - 30,000 USA - 25,000 Canada - 17,000 Netherlands - 8,000 UAE - 7,000 Germany - 6,000 South Africa - 6,000 Source of estimates: ONS

Those figures - published in April - suggest that, over that two year period, 71,000 British citizens started new lives in Australia compared with 58,000 in Spain and 42,000 in France.

Dean Morgan, of the website workpermit.com, said the bad summer weather had led to a large number of inquiries about emigration.

"Normally in July and August time its quite quiet but this year we've been inundated," he told BBC News.

"Perception of crime is another of the main reasons for people wanting to leave," he said.

"Also, people are worried about their children and they worry about their jobs and their future here and possibly the economy as well."

Australia, New Zealand, Canada and South Africa seemed to be the most popular destinations for emigration, Mr Morgan added.

Figures questioned

Meanwhile, the figures also indicated that during the same period, 74,000 people arrived in the UK from the eastern European countries that joined the European Union in 2004, while 16,000 people from those countries left.

However, according to Home Office statistics, around 200,000 people from the same countries registered for work in the UK during that time.

Campaign group Migrationwatch said the figures did not add up.

"This once again highlights that the government has no real grip of immigration or any meaningful idea of the true number coming to and leaving the UK which makes planning for these large population increases extremely difficult," said chairman Sir Andrew Green.

There is a pull on the heart strings for people to go back [home]

Dr Jan Mokrzycki Federation of Poles in Great Britain

But the Home Office said that while the ONS figures only included those staying in the UK for more than a year, its statistics featured all short-term applications for work, as well as applications from those who may never arrive in the country.

Dr Jan Mokrzycki, of the Federation of Poles in Great Britain, said that although the wage levels were better in the UK than in Poland, the costs of living were also high and many Polish people had realised they were just as well off at home.

"It works out just about even and, of course, there is also a pull on the heart strings for people to go back," he added.

The ONS figures released on Wednesday also revealed that one in four babies born in the UK had a mother or father born overseas.

The proportion of babies born to a foreign parent rose from 20% in 2001 to 25%.

"That reflects the cumulative effect of immigration over the last 40 years," a spokesman for the ONS said.

Overall, the UK saw an increase in births to 734,000 in the year compared with 663,000 four years earlier.

Ageing population

In addition, the figures suggested that the number of people aged 85 or over grew by 6% to 1,243,000 while the number of people of retirement age increased by 1% to 11,344,000.

The largest population growth by district (during 2001-2006) was 14% in Westminster, followed by Camden and South Northamptonshire - both 12%.

The greatest reductions at 2% were in Rushmoor, Middlesbrough, Sefton and Burnley.

The average age was 39 compared with just over 34 in 1971.

The method by which migration statistics are compiled changed in 1991, making some comparisons with earlier figures difficult.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: exodus
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1 posted on 08/22/2007 2:43:16 PM PDT by britemp
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My s-i-l from there just got her U.S. citizenship this year. She finally gave up on the U.K. I guess.


2 posted on 08/22/2007 2:45:50 PM PDT by Citizen Soldier (Made in USA and proud of it.)
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To: britemp
Of those who left the UK last year, 196,000 were British citizens while 189,000 were "long-term migrants" who had been living in the UK for more than a year.

And according to the Migration Research Unit at University College London, it is the number of non-Britons, or the "turnover population", that has pushed up the figures for those leaving.

Isn't 196,000 citizens still a heck of a lot?

3 posted on 08/22/2007 2:46:12 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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Statistics is the basic tool of propaganda since it automatically eliminates alternative interpretations.


4 posted on 08/22/2007 2:46:18 PM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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btt


5 posted on 08/22/2007 2:46:33 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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Interesting to note that half of these people leaving the UK to live elsewhere were not in fact British citizens, but foreign long-term migrants who have lived in the UK for a year or more.

Also interesting to note that immigration is still far greater than emigration and most of our immigrants are now Poles, plus a significant increase in births.


6 posted on 08/22/2007 2:48:56 PM PDT by britemp
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‘Isn’t 196,000 citizens still a heck of a lot?’

Less than 0.3 of a percent? Doesn’t seem high to me, especially when you consider that Brits can work legally anywhere in EU and many tens of thousands retire to Spain every month.

Do you know how many people are leaving the US?


7 posted on 08/22/2007 2:52:56 PM PDT by britemp
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To: Citizen Soldier

‘My s-i-l from there just got her U.S. citizenship this year. She finally gave up on the U.K. I guess.’

It’s a fair swap - there are thousands of Americans giving up on the US and moving to Britain.

Have a look at:

http://talk.uk-yankee.com/


8 posted on 08/22/2007 2:54:54 PM PDT by britemp
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To: RightWhale

‘Statistics is the basic tool of propaganda since it automatically eliminates alternative interpretations.’

Self-evidently not as we appear to be interpreting these statistics in at least two alternative ways.


9 posted on 08/22/2007 2:56:56 PM PDT by britemp
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Actually, I've been looking for an emigration figure for Yanks, but without much success. Best I've gotten so far is about 10,000 to Canada and 1,000 or so to Israel last year.

But it's not just how many are leaving, but who. If the people mentioned in the article are part of a brain drain leaving Britain, one that's not being replaced by new immigrants, higher immigration figs won't help the UK.

10 posted on 08/22/2007 2:57:37 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: britemp

Admittedly some have seen through the scam.


11 posted on 08/22/2007 2:58:23 PM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: mewzilla

‘But it’s not just how many are leaving, but who. If the people mentioned in the article are part of a brain drain leaving Britain, one that’s not being replaced by new immigrants, higher immigration figs won’t help the UK.’

The people leaving are evenly split between people retiring and skilled workers such as plumbers and builders going to Australia. The incomers are mainly Polish and are either skilled workers like plumbers or builders and also significant numbers of Polish doctors, dentists and IT professionals.

Overall we seem to be doing quite well out of it.


12 posted on 08/22/2007 3:17:11 PM PDT by britemp
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Also interesting to note that immigration is still far greater than emigration and most of our immigrants are now Poles, plus a significant increase in births.

You should welcome the Poles. They are better neighbors, I'm sure than immigrants from other, less civilized locales.

13 posted on 08/22/2007 3:17:34 PM PDT by Disambiguator (What's the temperature, Albert?)
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196,000 is too much “white flight” from a country of white natives. The irony has a bit of a sad twist. The same racial shifts are happening here. Lucky for us we have more room to resettle than do our Brit cousins.


14 posted on 08/22/2007 3:23:52 PM PDT by DogBarkTree (The correct word isn't "immigrant" when what they are doing is "invading".)
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To: Disambiguator

‘You should welcome the Poles.’

I do and regularly patronise their delis! :)


15 posted on 08/22/2007 3:26:24 PM PDT by britemp
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To: DogBarkTree

‘196,000 is too much “white flight” from a country of white natives.’

Who said they were white? And who said they were natives? Even if they are, how can it be a ‘white flight’ if more white Poles are arriving than white Brits are leaving?

‘The irony has a bit of a sad twist. The same racial shifts are happening here.’

Well if you think a white majority is a benefit, you should move to Britain. The UK is 92.9% white anglo saxon celtic christian. The US is, if you do as the CIA do and consider latinos to be non-white, what, about 68% white christian?


16 posted on 08/22/2007 3:32:15 PM PDT by britemp
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Too bad we can’t get more well-educated Brits instead of the third-word rabble we generally get.


17 posted on 08/22/2007 3:41:48 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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‘Too bad we can’t get more well-educated Brits instead of the third-word rabble we generally get.’

If my countrymen insist on voting Labour again there may be no more well-educated Brits being produced in the future and you’re already getting 25,000 of us a year! :)


18 posted on 08/22/2007 3:56:23 PM PDT by britemp
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Well, I doubt the American education system is any better. We need to form a new country - Educanistan.


19 posted on 08/22/2007 4:15:41 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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‘Well, I doubt the American education system is any better. We need to form a new country - Educanistan.’

Can we call it something else - it sounds rather like the uniform would include a niqab! :(


20 posted on 08/22/2007 4:19:59 PM PDT by britemp
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