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To: SubGeniusX

#####ELIMINATE THE NANNY STATE#####

I’d love nothing better, but you’ll never get rid of the nanny state in a socially liberal environment.

I once had a discussion with someone who favored open borders. He said anyone who wants to move to America should be free to do so, except, of course, for criminals and the like. I asked him what would happen to our nation if 200,000,000 impoverished third worlders came here and got on the welfare gravy train. His reply was that he would only open the borders AFTER we got rid of the welfare/nanny state programs. I then told him that even if we could get rid of all those programs, once 200,000,000 third worlders moved here, they’d vote those programs back in.

That’s your problem here. Even if we got rid of the nanny state, a socially liberal population would vote it back in.

If libertarianism could work, then a good laboratory for you to test it out would be a city such as San Francisco or a nation like Sweden. These are places that are very socially liberal, so all you have to do is convert them to fiscal conservatism and dismantle the nanny state. Good luck, because you’re gonna need it. Try telling the aging hippie drug takers you find languishing around the streets in San Francisco that they should provide their own health care and get off the public dole. Tell the homos that they can do whatever they want to do in private, but they need to repeal all those anti-discrimination laws and hate speech codes. Oh, and they need to privatize education.

Try weening “tolerant”, secular, gay friendly, porn drenched Sweden off the nanny state. You’d have a better chance trying to ban affirmative action in a city run by Jesse Jackson.

Socially liberal areas become nanny states just as surely as the sun rises each morning. Sweden, Holland, Canada....all of these places have become socialist nanny states as they’ve grown more socially liberal. As I suggested in an earlier post, it was no coincidence that the Great Society and its entitlement mentality arose simultaneously with the sexual revolution in the sixties. The former fed off the latter.

And I might add, gun control tends to follow social liberalism as well. Show me a place awash in abortion, promiscuity, porn, secularism, and homosexuality, and I’ll show you a massive, high tax, ever-expanding nanny state. And then they come to get your guns.


406 posted on 08/22/2007 11:45:10 PM PDT by puroresu
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To: puroresu; SubGeniusX
That’s your problem here. Even if we got rid of the nanny state, a socially liberal population would vote it back in.

Puroresu, I think you may be right. I can't think of single counter example in history.

418 posted on 08/23/2007 12:33:58 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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