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If Libertarians in theory were conservative and they were to throw their vote away on third parties who haven’t a chance in hell of winning an election, then they are indeed helping Democrats by not voting for the Republicans... If they were ever conservative.

Here are the problems with this premise -

they were to throw their vote away on third parties who haven’t a chance in hell of winning an election

The suggestion that a citizen exercising his or her RIGHT to vote, can be described as "throwing their vote away" is akin to stating that it is pointless to vote and that the only voice a citizen has to show approval or disapproval of a candidate is pointless.

This line of reasoning is borderline unAmerican.

Furthermore, they are indeed helping Democrats by not voting for the Republicans... If they were ever conservative.

Suggesting that only the republican party can represent the positions of conservative independents is equally incorrect. One might only look back at the 6 years of gop control of the US government to see just how successful that approach was.

The correct answer to the "who is right" question, is - "neither" both positions are wrong. Voting for the candidate a citizen believes in, regardless of "electability" is the basic expression of individual liberty.

IMO Independents are mostly all liberals. They might like to hang out with conservatives and talk tough, but they seem to mostly vote like hippies or welfare recipients.

Interesting opinion, just how do hippies and welfare recipients vote? - and how do you know?

The stone cold facts are that in major elections, either a Democrat or Republican can win.

When we get Libertarians talking there “whatever” and trying to convert others here and elsewhere to throw their vote away to an absolute loser, they are taking it away from the electable candidate that is most conservative.

The ONLY time to go postal for major changes is during a primary when you can go for the most conservative politician for Republican. That is the ONLY place where the action is for Conservatives in main elections.

There is no electable third party candidates in major elections for top spots.
It is self defeating to go self righteous and stubborn during the main elections. As of late, the vote has been close and with Libertarians throwing their votes away and suggesting others do so, they are acting like against for the liberal progressive Democrat party.

Believe my WG, I feel the same frustration and pain as you in not getting everything we want in candidates up and down the line.
Living in California, you know how screwed I have been because so many people here are government employees or beholden to unions and there is such a strong built in automatic Democrat vote.

Primaries is where you go for it.
If you can’t get it done in the primaries, you vote the Republican that won over the Democrat in. Doing anything else in the main election is screwing the chances of the most conservative electable candidate.

I get your frustration though, we’ve all dealt with it.

Pardon the typos to you, I am on the Internet in the lobby of a doctors office building waiting for my wife who is pregnant with our first and only baby to see her doctor.

I am in difficult surroundings here, but am trying as best to respond to your kind post to me.

I'll let you know if any very hormonal women come out and attack me while I am sitting here. Cringing in fear."

Take care.