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To: gridlock
Freedom consists of having the right to do what we like.

I'm sure you would qualify that with "as long is it harms nobody else." But define "harm." Some believe in zero-sum, where one's success takes away from another, and thus "harms" that person. And that's what libertarianism breaks down. Just what constitutes "harm" to others.

112 posted on 08/21/2007 1:26:54 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: dfwgator
Just what constitutes "harm" to others

If you don't notice it, I guess you weren't "harmed".

115 posted on 08/21/2007 1:29:27 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: dfwgator
Some believe in zero-sum, where one's success takes away from another, and thus "harms" that person.

Some people are wrong. These people in particular.

117 posted on 08/21/2007 1:31:26 PM PDT by gridlock (You’ll never grow old with Hillary-Care!)
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To: dfwgator
And that's what libertarianism breaks down. Just what constitutes "harm" to others

No, that's when libertarianism holds up. Harm is when I trample your rights. If you want to expand harm into the good of the whole, you will have to deal with the tyranny and violence that befalls those who take that line.

That's how Germany went from "family values" to exterminating Jews.
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150 posted on 08/21/2007 2:21:47 PM PDT by radioman
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