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Potential Flaw Found in Design of Fallen Bridge
NY Times ^ | August 9, 2007 | MONICA DAVEY and MATTHEW L. WALD

Posted on 08/08/2007 7:59:09 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: vigilante2

Thaanks, I realized that after I went to bed. 100 tons of rocks is 2.5 trucks at the legal limit. That shouldn’t be too hard to carry on an 8-lane bridge.


81 posted on 08/09/2007 4:39:08 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: neverdem
The bridge had a center fuel tank???

Who knew??? /s

82 posted on 08/09/2007 4:45:59 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: crazyshrink

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83 posted on 08/09/2007 4:46:40 AM PDT by The Mayor ( A man's heart plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps.—Proverbs 16:9)
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To: neverdem

Hmmmmm. I wonder if the bridge’s gusset plates were designed by the same engineering firm that was responsible for the tunnel supports in Boston’s Big Dig?


84 posted on 08/09/2007 5:16:56 AM PDT by finnigan2 (>)
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To: There You Go Again
President Bush screwed up the design of this bridge.

It was Kennedy and Nixon who continued the conspiracy started by Eisenhower. This was a secret plan to put flaws in numerous interstate bridges for future use. Rove's mind control machine made Bush decide this was the time to spring the plan. It will be found that important people directed a number of things the day of the collapse that took advantage of the design flaws. None of them were on the bridge when it fell. All of this will point to a number of Muslims on the work crew, all of whom "died" in the accident. This will be used to further inflame the country against Muslims and escalate the unjust war!

Oh, shoot. I thought this was DU. Sorry.

85 posted on 08/09/2007 6:55:37 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: commish
I am not an engineer, but looking at this picture, the left side of the collapsed bridge seems to have new asphalt laid on the road surface. I imagine they jack hammered the old - probably damaged - concrete out of the surface, replaced that with new and then added the layer of asphalt.

Knowing what I do about road construction, has anyone thought about the vibrating rollers used to flatten the asphalt? When they paved our street a couple of weeks ago, the one roller shook my entire house.


86 posted on 08/09/2007 7:24:32 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The measure of a country is not how many people are wanting to come in, but how many want to leave.)
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87 posted on 08/09/2007 10:51:47 AM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Paladin2
RUSTED gusset plates.

Yeeeeeeeeah. That's what makes me nervous about crossing old steel bridges. I don't doubt the design. I doubt the maintenance program.

I wonder what the safe lifespan is for steel bridges, even when properly maintained. Each time the beams and rivets get sandblasted, they have to get smaller and weaker.

88 posted on 08/09/2007 10:55:39 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Aquinasfan
Steel has a pretty cool property, IIRC called the fatigue limit. If a structure is designed to have its stresses below this limit, the fatigue life is infinite (as opposed to Aluminum which doesn’t have this property - see old airplanes having their wings replaced)

Steel in the absence of corrosion and in appropriate designs should last nearly forever.

I believe that I read that this bridge had an automatic corrosion de-icing system installed to help get through MN winters. Looking at the design of the bridge, all drainage looked to be directed towards the ends of the main span arch, which seems to be near where the initial failure(s) occurred.

89 posted on 08/09/2007 11:23:43 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

This side of the bridge failed after the main span dropped and pulled on this part, likely causing it to jump up and leave its supports and crash to the ground.


90 posted on 08/09/2007 11:27:53 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: The Mayor

Grand Island?


91 posted on 08/09/2007 11:30:19 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: Paladin2

Bingo. Just have your ‘rat reps fix it for you. Start with H!.


92 posted on 08/09/2007 11:37:51 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: There You Go Again

“design flaw in the so-called gusset plates”

Why are the gusset plate “so-called” Is the NYT trying to imply the guesset plates aren’t gusset plates? Maybe that’s why the bridge fell down. Dick Cheney made Haliburton use a hot plate instead of a guesset plate so his stock would go up.


93 posted on 08/09/2007 12:07:43 PM PDT by az_illini (Freedom is the freedom to say two + two make four. If that is granted, all else follows-G. Orwell)
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To: Arrowhead1952

No asphalt on the bridge. It was cement.


94 posted on 08/09/2007 12:20:34 PM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: az_illini

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95 posted on 08/09/2007 12:26:23 PM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: crazyshrink

Why are the the two inside lanes (left side of picture) black?


96 posted on 08/09/2007 12:36:38 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The measure of a country is not how many people are wanting to come in, but how many want to leave.)
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To: Paladin2

Yes, sir!
Grand Island, NY. Where are you?


97 posted on 08/09/2007 4:51:32 PM PDT by The Mayor ( A man's heart plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps.—Proverbs 16:9)
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To: The Mayor

I lived near Clarence for a decade ~40 yr ago.


98 posted on 08/09/2007 4:54:59 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: neverdem

Maybe Rosie O’Dogface can explain what happened??

Pray for W and Our Troops


99 posted on 08/09/2007 4:58:26 PM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground)
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To: neverdem; concretebob

The author is in way over his head. There are no girders in this bridge. It is a truss.

The gussets also known as connections are certain to have failed. That has been known here since the first hour or so. The question is which of several possible modes led to the failure. Flaw is possible but not likely since the bridge has been operatopnal for a long time.

I referred in earlier posts to bolted connections. A freeper told us they were riveted. I didn’t think they were still using rivets in the 60’s but close ups of the bridge seems to show rivets rather than high strength bolts.


100 posted on 08/09/2007 5:03:11 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Happiness is a down sleeping bag)
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