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What were those police officers thinking? There's a snake in the rafters so you just open fire?!

But, from the story, the police shot up into the ceiling. The bullet went through the roof, reached its apex and then began its descent. And by the time it reached the child, it had enough velocity/energy to kill the child.

That's just so bizarre. It's bizarre because my college physics teacher said that a free falling bullet lacks sufficient mass at terminal velocity to do much damage.

1 posted on 08/05/2007 6:29:51 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Standard procedure is the SHOOT A SNAKE OUT OF THE RAFTERS?

What a f-ing moron.

The cop should be facing jail just like we would.


2 posted on 08/05/2007 6:35:47 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: LouAvul

Has to be a ricochet...


3 posted on 08/05/2007 6:35:50 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: LouAvul
You assume the officer fired up rather than level. It is very possible he was in the rafters trying to kill the snake and fired down.

Either way, shooting a snake with a pistol is not a good idea in a confided space especially if it was not a life threatening situation.

4 posted on 08/05/2007 6:40:39 AM PDT by Popman (I removed my Bushbot brain chip after he didn't veto the McCain Feingold election anti freedom bill)
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Hmmm.


5 posted on 08/05/2007 6:43:04 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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words fail


7 posted on 08/05/2007 6:45:42 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Famously frisky)
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How very strange. Poor little boy.


9 posted on 08/05/2007 6:54:11 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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http://www.local6.com/news/5829143/detail.html

tell this lady about that.

It might not have been straight up, but at an angle and "lobbed" into the kid's chest, head or belly.

Sad case. Shotguns are the best for snakes...little .410 with bird shot.... or just a stick and jam its head off.

10 posted on 08/05/2007 6:57:15 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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That's just so bizarre. It's bizarre because my college physics teacher said that a free falling bullet lacks sufficient mass at terminal velocity to do much damage.

True if the bullet flies straight up, runs out of momentum, and then falls straight down, powered only by gravity. Not true if the bullet flies in an arc, still spinning and on a stable trajectory, still with momentum from the powder load that fired it.

11 posted on 08/05/2007 6:58:31 AM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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Interesting...another story posted had the snake in a birdhouse. Wonder which is right?

Regardless, the officer was criminally negligent and should face charges.

15 posted on 08/05/2007 7:06:03 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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I can’t imagine it. I get snakes around my acreage but even with no near neighbors I always calculate where my bullet might go, like glancing off water surface, for example. I blew the head off a cotton mouth in my front yard with a 22 rifle, after I got my dog and cat inside. I was aiming down, no chance to go into pastures, etc. And I am a dumb female with no firearms training.


16 posted on 08/05/2007 7:10:41 AM PDT by Dudoight
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...a free falling bullet lacks sufficient mass at terminal velocity to do much damage.

It's not mass, but energy, I think you mean. And they explored this on Mythbusters a while back too. The conclusion was it was unlikely a free falling bullet would be lethal.

But I can imagine a missed shot, because he wasn't likely shooting "straight up" or even nearly so, remaining in a ballistic trajectory until it hit something, and it's unfortunate the child was in that path.

I'm not going to be judgmental here, not knowing all the circumstances. It certainly appears there was a negligent use of the weapon here, though it's not hard to imagine the mindset that would have allowed it.

The lesson, be certain of what's beyond your target, probabilities are not reliable. Oh - and use the proper weapon and ammunition.

17 posted on 08/05/2007 7:11:02 AM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (Oregon - a pro-militia and firearms state that looks just like Afghanistan .)
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college physics teacher said

And you believed him/her?

One more reason college professors should be fired and institutionalized. Sheeeeez. Here in Tucson, AZ it is illegal to fire your guns into the air precisely for the reason this little boy has tragically died. Over the years several people here in Tucson have died or been severely injured because of lead falling from the sky after morons found it fun and funny to shoot rounds into the air during their 4th of July, Cinco de Mayo and other celebrations.

I was always taught that you do not shoot your weapon towards anything if you don't have a pretty good idea where the bullet is going to rest.

Prayers to the child's family.

18 posted on 08/05/2007 7:11:39 AM PDT by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter '08)
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The critical issue on which this case should, IMHO, turn is whether the snake was poisonous. Such a snake could easily become a threat to health and/or life of the property owner.

The property owner should have been able to take care of such a simple thing as killing a snake. Second Amendment, anyone?

But, for whatever reason, the cops were called, resonded in what seemed a reasonable manner, and dealt with the snake by sending it to the Great Snake Hole In The Sky.

Unfortunately, a freak accident killed the boy. To blame or charge the officer would, again IMHO, be accepting the Nanny State ASSumption that it is teh role of the government to keep us safe from all harm.

The goverment isn’t G*D. We are Americans, and much of what the government does it should not be doing. Shooting snakes is one of them.

Having brought up the issue of individual responsibility v. government assumption of “risk abatement”, nothing I or anyone else can say will diminish the loss that family suffered.

But, if the facts were as described, the officer would seem to not have been at fault.


19 posted on 08/05/2007 7:11:49 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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The grandfather said the first shot was loud and hit the pond directly in front of them. He claims he yelled that there were people down at the pond and then there was a second shot that killed the grandson.

From that, I would say the child and grandfather were directly downrange from the shooter. Worse yet, the two should have been seen and heard by the idiot doing the shooting.


21 posted on 08/05/2007 7:16:46 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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So sad and tragic.


22 posted on 08/05/2007 7:20:27 AM PDT by OriginalIntent (Undo the ACLU revision of the Constitution. If you agree with the ACLU revisions, you are a liberal)
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it's a training issue.

Know your target and what is beyond !

And OBTW a shotgun with bird-shot would have been more appropriate.


25 posted on 08/05/2007 7:30:01 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: LouAvul

The story keeps changing, first version had the snake hanging out of a bird house in the yard.


26 posted on 08/05/2007 7:40:45 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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“..lacks sufficient mass at terminal velocity..”

I hope that you are not saying that the mass of the bullet changes at terminal velocity.


31 posted on 08/05/2007 7:58:01 AM PDT by 353FMG
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You need a new school.


35 posted on 08/05/2007 8:10:04 AM PDT by borntoraisehogs (Our lives,our fortunes,our sacred honor)
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To: LouAvul

The last snake I had to mess with, a diamondback, I used a hoe. (The garden tool!)

Most homes that have a lawn probably have a hoe or rake somewhere.


36 posted on 08/05/2007 8:13:20 AM PDT by CPOSharky (An organization that kills those who do not believe it's dogma is NOT a religion.)
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