Mitt unplugged

Politico ^ | August 04, 2007 | Jonathan Martin

[mmanager]

Mitt Romney engaged in a heated discussion about his Mormon faith with a prominent Des Moines talk show host off the air on Thursday morning. The contentious back-and-forth between Romney and WHO's Jan Mickelson began on the air (video link courtesy Breitbart.tv) when the former governor appeared on the popular program that has become a regular stop for GOP presidential hopefuls. But the conversation spilled over to a commercial break and went on after the program ended, where a visibly annoyed Romney spoke in much greater detail about his church's doctrines than he is comfortable doing so in public.

The footage was captured by the station's in-studio camera and posted on its website. But Romney, who is careful to portray a sunny and upbeat public image, clearly did not know he was being recorded. The candidate reveals a private side that is at turns cutting, combative and sarcastic, but most of all agitated at being forced to defend what he and his church stand for.

[colorcountry]

Nope.

[Saundra Duffy]

You apparently did not watch the video. If the other candidates for president had to go through the same scrutiny and interrogations about their faith, I would agree with you, but as Romney points out, he is running for president, not for a church office. Romney said he has a perfect pro life voting record when he was governor. That should have been the end of the discussion. The radio guy was combative but Mitt Romney held his own and then some. I am so proud of Mitt Romney, I can’t tell you. Give the guy a break; it took guts to sit there and take all that meaningless drivel. Romney wants to talk about the issues. He wants to be the President for everyone.

[Saundra Duffy]

God is fashioning mansions for the believers in His Son, Jesus Christ. Would you be horribly offended if yours came complete with its own planet? Eye has not seen . . .

[sevenbak]

I thought as much.

[Saundra Duffy]

Joseph Smith was a Prophet who predicted he would be known for good and evil. I know him for good and you know him for evil. He was only a 14-year-old kid when he saw the vision, and ever since, he has been known for good and evil.

[Oklahoma]

“I agree. It is one of the saddest threads I’ve ever seen — full of religious bigotry and inexplicable hatred. These kinds of threads are an embarrassment to FR.
Yet, every cloud has a silver lining. I think the sheer vileness of some of his detractors makes Romney look better by comparison and attracts sympathizers to his side, as other threads of this ilk have done.”

Never forget that not all posters on FR are Conservatives or even Republicans. I can see some left-winger laughing his head off after posting some of this garbage.

[Saundra Duffy]

Jesus Christ is my Savior. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

We are a peculiar people; I will grant you that.

[MHGinTN]

I have read the rewrite he made of the Bible, Saundra. I know him from that to be a false prophet and a deceiver. If you desire to adore a man who is a false prophet and whom did evil with his false religion used to lead so many astray, so be it: http://scriptures.lds.org/en/jst/contents

[Saundra Duffy]

A fool can appear to be wise if he just keeps his big mouth shut. (My interpretation of a Scripture found in Proverbs.)

[sevenbak]

And the spam continues...

[Saundra Duffy]

This has turned into another Mormon bashing thread. Bye bye. I love my Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Jesus Christ is my Savior; Heavenly Father sent His only begotten Son to die for me to save me from my sins; and the Holy Ghost seals it as the Truth.

[sevenbak]

Bye Saundra, thank you for your pure and sincere testimony of Jesus Christ! Have a great Sunday, I’m out too.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Actually, if every self-identified group has at least 30%
who say they will not vote for a mormon, I’d call that
pretty uniform. Why isn’t there a single group -
like white women over 55, who are willing to vote for
a mormon in higher numbers???

Truthfully, neither you or I know whether the polled
numbers are accurate or not. I take them for what they
say they are until another poll shows something else.
You take them as false, because you do not like them,
despite any evidence to support your view. Why???

ampu

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“So Mitt’s a Mormon..I’m Catholic. SO WHAT!! He believes in the SAME God that I do (ie., NOT Allah).”

Is it that you do not know the God of Catholicism or that
you do not know the very different god of mormonism (of which
there are a great many)??

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“God is fashioning mansions for the believers in His Son, Jesus Christ. Would you be horribly offended if yours came complete with its own planet? Eye has not seen . . .”

This is a foolish, given that scripture doesn’t say
anything beyond “mansion”. The whole explantion/justification
for the mormon belief that each mormon male can become
the god of his own planet has no Biblical evidence.

Does this common “mormon saying” come with a Bible reference
that actually might mean what you wrote???

No. It is simply another bizarre mormon belief.

ampu

[George W. Bush]

Actually, if every self-identified group has at least 30% who say they will not vote for a mormon, I’d call that pretty uniform. Why isn’t there a single group - like white women over 55, who are willing to vote for a mormon in higher numbers???

You also have a lot of people who say they won't vote for a New Yorker like Rudi. Me, I think it's a police state anthill. And others in places like the northeast or CA simply will not vote for a Southerner like Fred. You'd be surprised. Anyway, that's what they say to the pollsters or in private conversation.

You'd also be surprised how partisan they turn out to be in the voting booth. But in a very close election, these things can make a difference.

I just don't think they go and vote for Methodist Hitlery because their other choice is a Mormon.

As for me, I'm supporting Ron Paul. But I am looking at the rest of the field. RP is a long shot, however you slice it.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“I just don’t think they go and vote for Methodist Hitlery because their other choice is a Mormon.”

No doubt that the unbridled perception of an evil hilldabeast
will overcome fears of a cultist...

But there are two other possibilities:

1. A confused mind always says “no”
2. Abstention based on conscience

Neither would help Mitt in a general.

ampu

PS - I suspect we will see updated polling before long. The
mormon issue will be inspected very closely since it is
numerically, a fringe religion.

[Weeedley]

“Lastly, the Book of Mormon is not from the 1800’s, that is just when it was translated and published. It is a record of people who lived in the Americas mainly from 600BC to 400AD.”

You killed off any credibility you had labored to find with the Bible passages that ever so vaguely address Mormonism. The party line was that it was translated from golden plates that John Smith just happened to dig up in his back yard with the aid of a seer stone and a toad and a Moronic angel. These plates were engraved in something called Reformed Egyptian. (That out to give you pause since Egyptians were Idol worshiping Pagans!)

Natives of the Americas had no written language that could in any way be tied to the writings in the B of M. So the story gets more fanciful that Egyptians came over the Atlantic and imbued the primitives with their language and writing. And out of that the Indians were to derived Reformed Egyptian, no less, and the rustic well digger John Smith was able to translate a language he had no acquittance of and put it all into a book.

How can anyone with an iota of intelligence take all this as anything but a very tall fairy tale ?

[George W. Bush]

You forgot a few:

• But she's a woman and I don't like that. (heard mostly from older women)
• She let her no-good husband treat her like dirt and covered up for him. I don't want him back in the WH.
• Gee, he's so good-looking and well-groomed, so rich, such a nice family
• He's a better American than she is.
• He earned his money. She made inside deals and her husband made speeches.
• Just what's wrong with having a real business leader in the WH? The business of America is business.

Romney can still sway a few women with just his looks. Give him his due. Like Reagan, he makes the most of what he's got.

And answering a poll question over the phone isn't the same as looking at someone you might like, nominee of the party you want to vote for and realizing you intend to vote against him or abstain over his batty religious doctrine.

Mormonism isn't a nothing. But it's not as big a something as you would have us to believe. Even some of you Mormon-bashers would vote for him if he was nominated.

If you're going to list the petty voters who decide based on what they don't like (lesser of two evils), then list more of them, not just the ones that favor your own prejudice.

[CheyennePress]

>>>The New Testament does not allow for the addition of these writings in the 19th century as an addendum to it. The thing that distinguishes Christianity from Mormonism is the book of Mormon, and therein lies all the bogusness. You are right but I am righter...<<<

Says who? The Nicean Council? I’ll note that Catholics claim that revolution never ends, and this seems far more correct to me than the traditional Protestant shutting of divine revelation after the Bible. And I say that as a Protestant.